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PostPosted: Sat Nov 17, 2007 1:44 pm    Post subject: Grandfathers brother in law Reply with quote

Hi all I can use some help. I'll give a short version of my families story for those of you who don't know.

My family came from Brognaturo (VV) formerly Catanzaro - Calabria. All my life we were always told that my grandfather had no brothers or sisters only a couple of half brothers and maybe a half sister. After viewing the LDS films I found that my grandfather had two brothers that died as very young boys but he had a full blooded sister that was about 10 years older than him. No one in my family, including my mother, aunt and uncle knew this. So after finding this information - that grandpa had a sister - I just assumed that she and her husband never came to america. For some reason I decided to look at manifests and see if she or her husband had ever traveled to america and sure enough I found a manifest for him. His name is Bruno Maria Arena and his wife (my grandpa's sister) was Maria Mangiardi. He traveled 1909 (same year as my grandpa) but not with my grandpa. He is going to Providence RI but I can't make out the address. Can anyone with a subscription please try to pull census information? Here is the manifest I found and I'm going to continue to search and see if my grandpa's sister followed. I also have their marriage banns.

Bruno Arena - line 12
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www.ellisisland.org/EI...&line=0012

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www.ellisisland.org/EI...&line=0012

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PostPosted: Sat Nov 17, 2007 1:57 pm    Post subject: Re: Grandfathers brother in law Reply with quote

Billie,

Looking now. Did you notice it says that this is not his first trip? I found someone in the 1910 Census but the first name is different...Let me look at the info a bit closer to see.

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PostPosted: Sat Nov 17, 2007 1:59 pm    Post subject: Re: Grandfathers brother in law Reply with quote

I believe this could be the father of Bruno Arena. Line 7 - Antonio Arena - joining son Bruno - 1921. The address is very clear on this manifest. Maybe someone can pull census information on this address and see if Bruno's wife is with him - name would be Maria (Mangiardi).

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www.ellisisland.org/EI...&line=0007

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PostPosted: Sat Nov 17, 2007 2:05 pm    Post subject: Re: Grandfathers brother in law Reply with quote

Well..I found a birth record which I think may be their DAD(based on Bruno's fathers name of course)..

Rhode Island Deaths, 1630-1930
about Antonio Arena
Name: Antonio Arena
Kin 1: Bruno Arena
Kin 2: Maria Arena
Death Date: 03 May 1928
Age: 70 yrs

Still looking.

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PostPosted: Sat Nov 17, 2007 2:20 pm    Post subject: Re: Grandfathers brother in law Reply with quote

I think Maria went by another name..

New York Passenger Lists, 1820-1957
about Bruno Arena
Name: Bruno Arena
Arrival Date: 6 Apr 1909
Estimated birth year: abt 1884
Age: 25
Gender: Male
Port of Departure: Genova
Ethnicity/Race-
/Nationality: Italian (South) (Italian)
Ship Name: Duca Degli Abruzzi
Search Ship Database: Search the Duca Degli Abruzzi in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database
Port of Arrival: New York, New York
Nativity: Catanzaro
Line: 12
Microfilm Serial: T715
Microfilm Roll: T715_1234
Birth Location: Catanzaro
Birth Location Other: brognatura
Page Number: 166

This should be his draft card..

World War I Draft Registration Cards, 1917-1918
about Bruno Arena
Name: Bruno Arena
City: Providence
County: Providence
State: Rhode Island
Birth Date: 25 May 1884
Race: White
Roll: 1852402
DraftBoard: 3
Age:

Bruno Arena Draft Cards

Address looks like Sharon Street...(I tend to take the long way around things sometimes Razz )

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PostPosted: Sat Nov 17, 2007 2:36 pm    Post subject: Re: Grandfathers brother in law Reply with quote

Who is Nicolo? That census I found..

1910 United States Federal Census
about Nicola Arena
Name: Nicola Arena
Age in 1910: 25
Estimated birth year: abt 1885
Birthplace: Italy
Relation to Head of House: Head
Father's Birth Place: Italy
Mother's Birth Place: Italy
Spouse's name: Maria
Home in 1910: Providence Ward 9, Providence, Rhode Island
Marital Status: Married
Race: White
Gender: Male
Year of Immigration: 1906
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Nicola Arena 25
Maria Arena 20
Chiara Arena 11/12
Catherina Duono 54

Let me know if any of this sounds familiar.

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PostPosted: Sat Nov 17, 2007 2:42 pm    Post subject: Re: Grandfathers brother in law Reply with quote

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Shocked Shocked It is Bruno my grandfathers broth-in-law and the b-i-l's dad!!! Shocked Shocked

This is the marriage bann of my great aunt Maria Mangiardi and Bruno Arena. Oh........hold on a minute..................I'm still picking myself up off the floor!!!

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PostPosted: Sat Nov 17, 2007 2:53 pm    Post subject: Re: Grandfathers brother in law Reply with quote

nuccia wrote:
Who is Nicolo? That census I found..

1910 United States Federal Census
about Nicola Arena
Name: Nicola Arena
Age in 1910: 25
Estimated birth year: abt 1885
Birthplace: Italy
Relation to Head of House: Head
Father's Birth Place: Italy
Mother's Birth Place: Italy
Spouse's name: Maria
Home in 1910: Providence Ward 9, Providence, Rhode Island
Marital Status: Married
Race: White
Gender: Male
Year of Immigration: 1906
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Nicola Arena 25
Maria Arena 20
Chiara Arena 11/12
Catherina Duono 54

Let me know if any of this sounds familiar.

Could possibly be Bruno's brother (I'm guessing). Bruno's mothers name was Chiara (see marriage bann attachment). I hadn't started looking for Maria Mangiardi's information yet because I assumed that she and Bruno stayed in Italy. They were married in 1902/03 and my films end at 1911......been working my way backwards in years so didn't look too closely for info on her and any kids she might have had in Italy. I guess I know what I'm going to be doing after the holiday........FHC........look for kids of these two.

I'm in shock.

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PostPosted: Sat Nov 17, 2007 2:58 pm    Post subject: Re: Grandfathers brother in law Reply with quote

Ok then, here's the link..

1910 Census

Lets see if I can find the 1920 and 1930 Census records now.

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PostPosted: Sat Nov 17, 2007 3:00 pm    Post subject: Re: Grandfathers brother in law Reply with quote

The 1921 manifest for Antonio give Bruno's address very clearly so maybe assume that it was Bruno's address in 1920.

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PostPosted: Sat Nov 17, 2007 3:04 pm    Post subject: Re: Grandfathers brother in law Reply with quote

Possible 1920 Census?

1920 United States Federal Census
about Maria Arena
Name: Maria Arena
Home in 1920: Providence Ward 3, Providence, Rhode Island
Age: 29 years
Estimated birth year: abt 1891
Birthplace: Italy
Relation to Head of House: Wife
Spouse's name: Nicola
Father's Birth Place: Italy
Mother's Birth Place: Italy
Marital Status: Married
Race: White
Sex: Female
Year of Immigration: 1902
Able to read: Yes
Able to Write: Yes
Image: 791
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Household Members:
Name Age
Nicola Arena 25
Maria Arena 29
Maria Arena 10
Domenico Arena 9
Marion C Arena 5
Bruno Arena 1 11/12

Will link if you think it might help. I need to look at some other things first though.

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PostPosted: Sat Nov 17, 2007 3:07 pm    Post subject: Re: Grandfathers brother in law Reply with quote

BillieDeKid wrote:
The 1921 manifest for Antonio give Bruno's address very clearly so maybe assume that it was Bruno's address in 1920.

Yes...thats true...

Also..check this out..what do you think out this? Shocked

Rhode Island Marriages, 1636-1930
about Nicola Arena
Spouse 1: Nicola Arena
Spouse 2: Maria S Tangaro
Marriage Date: 12 Jul 1908

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PostPosted: Sat Nov 17, 2007 3:07 pm    Post subject: Re: Grandfathers brother in law Reply with quote

This Maria is too young to be my great aunt. But her husband Nicola could be Bruno's brother. Can you look up census info for Bruno? Try the address listed for him on the 1921 manifest - Antonio going to son Bruno in Providence. Thanks a million Nuccia.

Edit to add comment.......I noticed on the census info that Nicola's mother in law (Maria's mother) was with them. Her surname is D' Leona (I think) - I will look this up at FHC to see if there's a connection. kiss

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PostPosted: Sat Nov 17, 2007 3:10 pm    Post subject: Re: Grandfathers brother in law Reply with quote

Billie..I'm trying but I'm having NO LUCK at all! Its obviously mis spelled...unless, he was in Italy during the time the census was taken??? Possible since the 1920 Census would be right after the War????

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PostPosted: Sat Nov 17, 2007 3:13 pm    Post subject: Re: Grandfathers brother in law Reply with quote

nuccia wrote:
BillieDeKid wrote:
The 1921 manifest for Antonio give Bruno's address very clearly so maybe assume that it was Bruno's address in 1920.

Yes...thats true...

Also..check this out..what do you think out this? Shocked

Rhode Island Marriages, 1636-1930
about Nicola Arena
Spouse 1: Nicola Arena
Spouse 2: Maria S Tangaro
Marriage Date: 12 Jul 1908

I don't really know. I don't know who Nicola is for sure, I'll have to look and see if Antonio and Chiara had a son named Nicola.

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