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PostPosted: Sun Dec 15, 2013 9:04 pm    Post subject: Re: Finding birth information Reply with quote

Bridget, I may be asking the obvious here, but have you tried to get a marriage record for him. His parents' names might be on there.

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PostPosted: Mon Dec 16, 2013 12:25 pm    Post subject: Re: Finding birth information Reply with quote

Hi Mary,

That is an excellent point. I have been on an exhaustive hunt for these records. I cannot find church records for any of the local Catholic churches. I even thought perhaps there were married in PA and sent for records there. But, they did an exhaustive search and could not find the records. So the short answer is that I have not been able to find a record of their marriage. But, I do have a wedding photo. So I know they were married.

I can safely say that none of this is going to be easy or straightforward. But, I so appreciate your help!
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 16, 2013 2:53 pm    Post subject: Re: Finding birth information Reply with quote

Bridget, Is there any writing on their wedding picture? It might help in locating where they were married. Is it possible they were married in Hamilton?

What were the names of his wife's parents. Maybe they're in the 1911 census for Hamilton. I searched with Mary Ellen who would have been about 12 at the time but nothing came up.

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PostPosted: Mon Dec 16, 2013 5:13 pm    Post subject: Re: Finding birth information Reply with quote

Mary,

There is no writing on the wedding photos. Hamilton is a possibility. But, they married in 1916 or 17. Mary Ellen's parents were Edward John Kearney and Margaret McGuigan. They married in Hamiliton. I have they're marriage record.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 17, 2013 9:31 pm    Post subject: Re: Finding birth information Reply with quote

Hi Bridget. These are some some marriage records for Ardore containing Castelvetere individuals: They might come in handy in the future. Until you find Bruno's marriage record to establish the names of his parents, I guess it's impossible to do any research in the old country.

1884 Marriage – Domenico Antonio Castelvetere & Antonia Santo…..o? #49

1884 Marriage – Domenico Clemente & Elisabetta Castelvetere #48

1894 Marriage – Domenico Castelvetere & Maria Morabito #2
1894 Marriage – Vincenzo Taliano & Maria Rosa Castelvetere #34?
1894 Marriage – Luigi Pasquale Todarello & Maria Antonia
Castelvetere #53?

1903 Marriage – Vincenzo GioBattista Schirripa & Giuditta
Castelvetere #1

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PostPosted: Tue Dec 17, 2013 11:19 pm    Post subject: Re: Finding birth information Reply with quote

Mary,

Thank you so much for the information. I think you have found some possible cousins. My plan is to go to a family history center and see if they have any suggestions regarding locating marriage records for Bruno & MaryEllen. Hopefully, they have a resource.

Thank you so much for your help. I really do appreciate it. I hope you have wonderful holidays!

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 19, 2013 11:54 am    Post subject: Re: Finding birth information Reply with quote

Bridget. I just realized that I forgot to tell you the reason why fathers registered their children later after they were born.

In Italy, it was mandatory, until recently, that all male children go into the military the year they turned 20 (I think). So that parents could keep their sons at home one extra year, especially if they were born late in the year, they would go and register them in the new year. Once the government officials became wise to this practice (I presume there must have been a disproportionate number of boys supposedly born in January) a law was passed that children had to be registered as soon as they were born. Parents got around this law by still registering their children later but saying they were born that day or the night before.

Please keep us posted if you make any progress with your research.

All the best for the holidays.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 19, 2013 5:27 pm    Post subject: Re: Finding birth information Reply with quote

Hi Mary - Is it possible to get a copy of that birth act for 1893 for Giuseppe son of Bruno after all? We found some info (I'll let Bridget tell you since I'm late picking up my husband) and that just may be the one we need. Also, Bridget besides the Philadelphia manifest I found this one - looks like he traveled back to Italy that same year: Call me later.


New York, Passenger Lists, 1820-1957 about Giuseppe Cradetreane
Name: Giuseppe Cradetreane
Arrival Date: 8 Jul 1909
Birth Date: abt 1890
Birth Location: B Calabria
Birth Location Other: aedore
Age: 19
Gender: Male
Ethnicity/ Nationality: Italian (South) (Italian)
Port of Departure: Naples, Italy
Port of Arrival: New York, New York
Ship Name: Prinzess Irene
Search Ship Database: Search the Prinzess Irene in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 19, 2013 7:35 pm    Post subject: Re: Finding birth information Reply with quote

Perhaps we have his 1910 Census?


1910 United States Federal Census about Bruno Castalvart
Name: Bruno Castalvart
Age in 1910: 19
Birth Year: abt 1891
Birthplace: Italy
Home in 1910: Pine, Mercer, Pennsylvania
Race: White
Gender: Male
Immigration Year: 1908
Relation to Head of House: Boarder
Marital Status: Single
Father's Birthplace: Italy
Mother's Birthplace: Italy
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Philip Prato 26
Bruno Castalvart 19

As I suspected he went to work in the mines - the guy above him, Prato, Philip - That is a surname from Ardore (and one of the surnames I am researching). Will link images soon - want to look for a 1920 Census first.

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 19, 2013 8:01 pm    Post subject: Re: Finding birth information Reply with quote

So exciting!!

Ok, today I was able to get his naturalization papers. No parents names. But, the state department notes are included. They lis my Bruno as Giuseppe Costlevetere. Arrived on Ancona feb. 3, 1909. Daughter Jennie was born in McKeess rock, pa in 1917.

So, Mary, I think you were right on your initial info from 1893. He does list dob as August 10, 1893.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 19, 2013 8:06 pm    Post subject: Re: Finding birth information Reply with quote

Nuccia,

I cannot wait to talk! That census makes sense. Mercer county is also where his draft card registration address is from. (orchard st.).
Thanks so much. I think we are getting closer

Weird the coming and going so close to each other.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 19, 2013 8:17 pm    Post subject: Re: Finding birth information Reply with quote

Yes - pretty exciting- and the addresses he uses is the same as my ancestors used -

Ship Manifest for the Ancona in Feb 1909 - I'll try to get the second page for you.
Giuseppe to Philadephia 1909

1910 Census

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 19, 2013 9:31 pm    Post subject: Re: Finding birth information Reply with quote

Nuccia, All I have for 1893 is the index that I posted earlier. I ordered it this past spring and it's gone back to Utah.

I'm also researching Prato'. My GG grandmother was Maria Prato' married to Saverio Nobile. I have the names of 7 children born to them. I don't have a lot of info on them, but if I can be of help let me know.

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PostPosted: Fri Dec 20, 2013 2:37 am    Post subject: Re: Finding birth information Reply with quote

Thanks on both counts Mary. I will touch base with you at some point during the holidays or in the New Year.

Ok so it looks like we write away to Ardore.

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PostPosted: Fri Dec 20, 2013 6:24 pm    Post subject: Re: Finding birth information Reply with quote

Hello again Very Happy
Here is a possible 1920 census from Erie County, Lancaster Township, New York.

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Last name is spelled Casta???? My kinda census taker Very Happy

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