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PostPosted: Thu Feb 21, 2008 10:37 am    Post subject: Other records - State Archives Reply with quote

It has come to my attention that there are other documents I can obtain for my grandafther's town and his family besides the state civil records of birth, marriage and death available through the LDS. I have come across this site many times: www.archivi-sias.it/ or this site for my province www.archivi.benicultur...agina.html
I do not understand enough Italian to get too far there, however, I have an understanding that you can order comune records from the province that they will send you on CD for a fee. It is my understanding you can obtain a copy of the comune catasto onciario for a fee. Other records that can be obtained from the province may include Catasto provvisorio terreni , 1808-1956, Atti dei notai del distretto di Cosenza (notary acts), Commissione militare francese, 1806 - 1812 (French military commisions - the area was ruled by France during this time period) and possibily even the state civil records! There may even be more records available than those I listed...again my Italian is limited. My question is how do I obtain these records? Do I write the archives of the province or can I ask from the website referenced above? Can these CD's be ordered on either of the online sites? Any help would be greatly appreciated. It is my only hope of going back further.

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 21, 2008 1:34 pm    Post subject: Re: Other records - State Archives Reply with quote

Well these certainly look interesting on the second link...

CATASTI


Catasti antichi, 1732,1736 , voll.2 Elenco.

Catasto onciario ,1741-1809 , voll.23 e fascc. 12 Elenco.

Catasto provvisorio terreni , 1808-1956, bb.806, regg.2.262, fogli di mappa n° 198


There's quite a long list of docs AND comunes isn't there... giornale

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 21, 2008 2:11 pm    Post subject: Re: Other records - State Archives Reply with quote

Wow, this is certainly an amazing find.

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 21, 2008 2:35 pm    Post subject: Re: Other records - State Archives Reply with quote

I am beginning to drool here!! So, does this mean I can order these documents on CD? For the whole comune? Are there fees listed? Sorry but I am getting very excited...
*prepares to do the banana dance, but not sure if it is warranted yet*

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 21, 2008 3:11 pm    Post subject: Re: Other records - State Archives Reply with quote

They have a similar site for Provincia Reggio di Calabria here:

Archivo Stato Reggio di Calabria

This listing is the one I want to find more info on...

Atti dello stato civile, 1809-1922, regg. e fasci 17.616. Inventario

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 21, 2008 4:44 pm    Post subject: Re: Other records - State Archives Reply with quote

JamesBianco wrote:
They have a similar site for Provincia Reggio di Calabria here:

Archivo Stato Reggio di Calabria

This listing is the one I want to find more info on...

Atti dello stato civile, 1809-1922, regg. e fasci 17.616. Inventario

While I was not able to find out if you can order something from the site posted by Cathy, this is what you can do at the Archivio di Sato di Reggio Calabria.

You can request a copy or ask to take a picture of a specific document. To do it you must go at their premises and fill-in a specific form that will be authorized by the director. You will have to pay to take the picture. If you want to publish the picture or the copy of the document you have to get another authorization and pay a fee.

Regarding the sites posted by Cathy, I was not able to find anything about CDs or copies, or whatever.


No Banana party

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 21, 2008 5:01 pm    Post subject: Re: Other records - State Archives Reply with quote

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No Banana party

Crying or Very sad

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 21, 2008 5:59 pm    Post subject: Re: Other records - State Archives Reply with quote

first of all... the bananas with the X over it... very funny Smile

So what is Cathy's site all about? I'm confused about its purpose?
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 22, 2008 4:39 am    Post subject: Re: Other records - State Archives Reply with quote

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first of all... the bananas with the X over it... very funny Smile

So what is Cathy's site all about? I'm confused about its purpose?

It shows what is available at the Archivio di Stato and probably you may view it going on site...

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 22, 2008 7:15 am    Post subject: Re: Other records - State Archives Reply with quote

I really find it hard to believe you can order entire Comune Stato Civile records and have them arrive on CD. It is just too incredible to believe!!! However, Cathy is in touch with a lady who ordered the Catasti Onciari online for a comune in Cosenza (via the official Archivo website) and received the digital images via mail and on CD.

The woman ordered these records via The Cosenza Archivo site, which is official. It is very possible in this modern day that procedures are changing.

I mean livio, who thought 10 years ago you could email a Comune in Italy and receive back an actual image of the record you are seeking in jpg format? Well this is happening more and more from what I understand...

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 22, 2008 7:25 am    Post subject: Re: Other records - State Archives Reply with quote

James, I agree with you 101%. My point was that the two sites referred by Cathy are not giving any clue on the possibility to order a CD. hide

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 22, 2008 10:26 am    Post subject: Re: Other records - State Archives Reply with quote

MauroMags wrote:
first of all... the bananas with the X over it... very funny Smile

So what is Cathy's site all about? I'm confused about its purpose?
Mauro - the X through the dancing bananas was very funny!
I will be checking into this further. As James said, a woman from Marano Marchesato (she has an awesome website by the way) ordered something from one of the 2 sites I linked. I will be emailing her today and Carole has graciously offered to walk me through the sites tonight on Skype. I don't feel right about putting her correspondance on this forum but if you want to see what I read, pm me and I will show you what she said. I will follow up on this post what I find out about these sites. I am still aprehensively excited about this...I'll have to see what I can find out. I want it all!! Catasto's, notary records, everything! My town has no available church records so, this is my only hope to go back further than the civil records. Once I see Cosenza province's options I will be looking at Catanzaro Province's too. Very Happy

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 22, 2008 11:07 am    Post subject: Re: Other records - State Archives Reply with quote

Tried the first link Cathy posted and it would not work. Is it a complete web address? On the second site I plugged in Salerno province instead of Cosenza and got their listings. I guess you can do this with almost any area.

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 22, 2008 1:00 pm    Post subject: Re: Other records - State Archives Reply with quote

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James, I agree with you 101%. My point was that the two sites referred by Cathy are not giving any clue on the possibility to order a CD. hide

That's what I couldn't find either Livio.

It may be that some comunes will, might or are able to provide such a service 'on request', but don't go out of their way to publicise it on their official websites!

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 22, 2008 1:05 pm    Post subject: Re: Other records - State Archives Reply with quote

The woman emailed them from the website. I am trying to obtain the email address from her.

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