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PostPosted: Tue May 26, 2009 6:44 pm    Post subject: Road block Reply with quote

Hi again,
As suggested, I went to the stevemorse.org site. I'm trying to locate information regarding my grandfather. There seems to be no evidence that he was even in the United States except I do have a picture of his gravestone with birth and death year on it. He came over before my grandmother, father and aunt did. So, how do I go about finding the year he came over, ships manifest and any other information from when he was alive? His name is Frederico D'Elisiis. It was changed when he came to the states as his gravestone says Frederick. (at least that is the story I got) He came from Campobasso. He was born in 1871, died in 1947 anywhere from August - December. We THINK there was a brother, Joseph, that came with him and there is nothing on him either. I've checked with the Ellis Island site, Ancestory site (not a paid member yet but I'm seriously considering it) and most of the sites I've found on my own and through this site. I am going to write to Italy for the birth acts of not only my grandfather but my grandmother, and 2 other relatives so that may help me out some. So, back to my original question: How do I find my grandfather? Cool Thank you for your help.
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PostPosted: Tue May 26, 2009 7:57 pm    Post subject: Re: Road block Reply with quote

Possible 1920 census with brother Joseph and family
Name: Fred Delinis
Home in 1920: Schenectady Ward 3, Schenectady, New York
Age: 46 years
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1874
Birthplace: Italy
Relation to Head-of-house: Brother
Father's Birth Place: Italy
Mother's Birth Place: Italy
Marital Status: Married
Race: White
Sex: Male
Year of Immigration: 1913
Household Members: Name Age
Joseph Delinis 36
Mary Delinis 26
Suzanne Delinis 6
Alcise Delinis 4
Angeline Delinis 2
Fred Delinis, brother, tailor, 46, alien, immigration 1913

1930 census
Name: Fredrick Delisis
Home in 1930: Schenectady, Schenectady, New YorkAge: 58
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1872
Birthplace: Italy
Relation to Head-of-house: Head
Spouse's name: Filomena
Household Members: Name Age
Fredrick Delisis, tailor, age 58, alien, immigration 1904
Filomena Delisis 49
Ernest Delisis 19
Helen Delisis 17

Possible 1903 manifest line 16
Federico D'Eliscio
Year of birth about 1871
Ocupation, tailor
Last residence, Guardialfiera
Destination, Schnectady NY to join brother Filomeno
This might be his first trip; he may have travelled back and forth a number of times.

Possible 1902 manifest for brother Filomeno line 27

1912 manifest, page 1 line 14
Page 2
Federico D'Elissio
Year of birth about 1872
Occupation, tailor
Destination, Schnectady to join brother Giuseppe
Previously in NY ??-(19)11
Naturalization markings on first page

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PostPosted: Tue May 26, 2009 9:23 pm    Post subject: Re: Road block Reply with quote

OMG!!!! That is my family!! Joseph's wife was Mary Suppa D'Elisiis. The kids listed are theirs. It does look like Joseph and Frederick were brothers and that would answer the question that our cousins and I have been wondering. I don't know how you found all this information out so fast but I truly appreciate the time you took not only to look it up but write it down.
Thank you so very, very much...now on to the rest of my family!!!! lol
You're a saint!!!
~michelle~
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PostPosted: Tue May 26, 2009 10:12 pm    Post subject: Re: Road block Reply with quote

Biff, I have one more question.
So, it looks like there was a brother, Filomeno who lived in Amsterdam, NY. It's fairly close to Schenectady. ( I was born in Schenectady) That blows my sister and me away because we didn't know there was a sibling of that age. The story, as we heard it from my father, was that there was a 3rd sibling but he/she passed at an early age. We assumed that meant more like an infant age. I have a letter I'm going to send off to Italy for birth/death acts. I also have the names of my great-grandparents. Will there be information on their paperwork of all their children's births? If not how do I obtain this information?
Thanks again!
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PostPosted: Wed May 27, 2009 3:27 am    Post subject: Re: Road block Reply with quote

I don't have my glasses on (lost the darn things again) but it looks to me that Filomena is the wife's name. Am I missing something here?

As for the childrens info, you would need to send away for that separately as they would not be listed on the parents birth or marriage acts. Instead, you will probably be able to locate Fred and Joseph's parents names and possibly their grandfather's name. My suggestion is to only send away for one or two records at a time or you may not get an answer.

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PostPosted: Wed May 27, 2009 8:17 am    Post subject: Re: Road block Reply with quote

Hello Nuccia,
Thanks for your reply and you are right. I don't want to overwhelm anyone by sending a request with alot of names on them. Filomena is Fredericks wife. Her surname is Lozzi. Filomeno is Fredericks brother. I did hit some "paydirt" last night when I was looking through some old folders. Years ago my sister and I did a "D'Elisiis" search on the net, came up with about 20 families and addresses in Italy. We wrote them and got a response that, along with the information from Biff, started to make sense. I'm going to put the info in a file and put it on here. It's interesting reading. It also puts together my relationship with a D'Elisiis that I email who lives in Italy. The lady that sent the letter is a retired school teacher from Campobasso. I'm going to try to email her and if her email has changed, it's been years since the letter, then I'll write her by snailmail. I'm hoping she can help me further and make it easier to get some of the information that I need. I'll keep you posted, maybe I can come up with something that will help someone else in their family search.
Thanks so much, you guys are all great!
~michelle~
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PostPosted: Wed May 27, 2009 10:08 am    Post subject: Re: Road block Reply with quote

Hello, Michelle

Thought you might be interested in this.
Electric City Immigrants: Italians and Poles of Schenectady, N.Y., 1880-1930

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PostPosted: Wed May 27, 2009 10:34 am    Post subject: Re: Road block Reply with quote

Thanks Biff!
I was born in Schenectady then my family moved to Saratoga Springs when I was 2 years old. Since the bulk of my relatives lived in Schenectady we were there often. This is very interesting reading...
I'm glad I have a job with summers off! lol
So much is coming together for my family. I have a distant relative in Guardialfiera that I'm going to email for more information and a distant cousin that lives north of that area and will be going there this weekend to "pump" her grandmother for information. I hope we get more info from them.
Thanks to everyone on this site and God Bless you all for helping people, like me, find their ancestory.
Thank you!
~michelle~
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PostPosted: Wed May 27, 2009 11:47 am    Post subject: Re: Road block Reply with quote

If there are any Frascatore's in the Schnectady/Amsterdam area, they may be cousins. On Filomeno's 1902 manifest, he was going to join his brother in law Clemente Frascatore in Amsterdam.

Frascatore family tree:
familytreemaker.geneal...DFODT1.pdf

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