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PostPosted: Thu Jul 26, 2007 1:02 pm    Post subject: Re: New search Reply with quote

Interesting 1 July 1923 Manifest, see line 2

Passenger--Antonio Bocchicchio
Last residence and place of birth--Buonalbergo
Destination--Philadelphia PA to join brother Luigi at 134 W. Cumberland, same address as Michele's WWI draft card previously posted.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 26, 2007 4:08 pm    Post subject: Re: New search Reply with quote

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1920 Census for Michele Bocchicchio and Family
New Castle Delaware
Michele Bocchicchio, head, age 31, immigration year 1914, Italy
Jennie, wife, age 17, Italy
Louis, son, age 0 (new born), Pennsylvania
Likely just married?
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Have you noticed the cousin that is living with this family in the 1920 Census? Does the last name sound familiar at all?

I wouldn't be surprised if Michele re married..it was often done. My own Great Uncle did the same thing and when his wife and son "surprised" him by arriving in America the truth came out.

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 26, 2007 4:20 pm    Post subject: Re: New search Reply with quote

I have heard several stories like this too. A cousin of my grandmother's cousin did this too. Not nice but it happened.

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 26, 2007 4:31 pm    Post subject: Re: New search Reply with quote

Hmmm. I checked the 1930 census again. It showed Michele's age at first marriage to be 20. or about 1908, six years before his stated immigration date on both the 1920 and 1930 censuses. Wife Jennie on the 1920 census is 17 so there's no way he married a five year old.
Also on the 1930 census, Michele states his marital status as Married not Widowed. Could it be that wife Jennie passed away between 1922 (birth of son Carl) and 1930 and Michele stated he was married because he still was to Carmela in Italy?

Michele's missing ship manifest would answer a lot of questions.

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 26, 2007 6:29 pm    Post subject: Re: New search Reply with quote

Biff83 wrote:
Interesting 1 July 1923 Manifest, see line 2

Passenger--Antonio Bocchicchio
Last residence and place of birth--Buonalbergo
Destination--Philadelphia PA to join brother Luigi at 134 W. Cumberland, same address as Michele's WWI draft card previously posted.
1923 Manifest page 1

1923 Manifest page 2
L'avevo trovato anch'io negli archivi di Ellis, magari sono parenti ma non so chi possa essere.

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 26, 2007 6:40 pm    Post subject: Re: New search Reply with quote

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WWI Draft Card
Michele Bocchicchio
134 W. Cumberland St, Phila PA
Birth 31 March 1888
Birthplace Benawan (Benevento?)
Is the signature Micheleangelo Bocchicchio?
Dependents wife and 2? children
Questo Michele Bocchicchio potrebbe essere lui...
Nato nel 1888 e la nonna di mio padre

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 26, 2007 6:43 pm    Post subject: Re: New search Reply with quote

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Have you noticed the cousin that is living with this family in the 1920 Census? Does the last name sound familiar at all?

I wouldn't be surprised if Michele re married..it was often done. My own Great Uncle did the same thing and when his wife and son "surprised" him by arriving in America the truth came out.
John puoi tradurre per me il messaggio di Nuccia? Il traduttore non riesce a tradurre molto bene il suo pensiero.
Grazie mille. Wink

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 26, 2007 8:44 pm    Post subject: Re: New search Reply with quote

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Have you noticed the cousin that is living with this family in the 1920 Census? Does the last name sound familiar at all?

I wouldn't be surprised if Michele re married..it was often done. My own Great Uncle did the same thing and when his wife and son "surprised" him by arriving in America the truth came out.
John puoi tradurre per me il messaggio di Nuccia? Il traduttore non riesce a tradurre molto bene il suo pensiero.
Grazie mille. Wink

Abitante con Michele e sua famiglia nel 1920 era un cugino. Riconosci tu il cognome?

Multi uomini hanno abbandonato loro mogli e hanno risposato nel Stati Uniti.

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 26, 2007 8:53 pm    Post subject: Re: New search Reply with quote

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Alessandra wrote:
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Have you noticed the cousin that is living with this family in the 1920 Census? Does the last name sound familiar at all?

I wouldn't be surprised if Michele re married..it was often done. My own Great Uncle did the same thing and when his wife and son "surprised" him by arriving in America the truth came out.
John puoi tradurre per me il messaggio di Nuccia? Il traduttore non riesce a tradurre molto bene il suo pensiero.
Grazie mille. Wink

Abitante con Michele e sua famiglia nel 1920 era un cugino. Riconosci tu il cognome?

Multi uomini hanno abbandonato loro mogli e hanno risposato nel Stati Uniti.

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he could be IANOVALE even if it misses the A.
Ianovale is a last name of Buonalbergo.
But is this Jeanie the new wife?
But in the united states they regularly got married him or did they live without being gotten married together?
To thing it corresponds 1914 in the line corresponding to Michael Bocchicchio?
Have checked in the lists of Ellis and there is not any Ianovales! Surprised

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 26, 2007 9:18 pm    Post subject: Re: New search Reply with quote

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Nei due documenti relativi a Michele Bocchicchio nato il 31 Marzo del 1988 ci sono due differenze. Nel primo definiscono i suoi occhi BLUE e i suoi capelli RED. Nell'altro i suoi occhi sono BROWN e i suoi capelli GRIGI.

Il retro del WWII Draft Card di Michele e' sbagliato. Ancestry ha fatto gli sbagli.

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 26, 2007 9:43 pm    Post subject: Re: New search Reply with quote

Alessandra,

Se questo e' l'estatto Michelangelo, Jennie e' la nuova moglie. 1914 e' l'anno di immigrazione di Michele, non l'anno di matrimonio. Molti immigranti hanna risposato o in chiesa o in cerimonia civile.

If this is the correct Michelangelo, Jennie is the new wife. 1914 is the year of Michele's immigration, not the year of marriage. Many immigrants remarried in either church or a civil ceremony.

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 26, 2007 9:51 pm    Post subject: Re: New search Reply with quote

E potevano farlo? POtevano sposarsi di nuovo? Non

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 26, 2007 10:28 pm    Post subject: Re: New search Reply with quote

Perche' Carmela prendeva la pensione di Michele, Michele ha nominato la il beneficiario.

Il Michele in Philadelphia chi noi parliamo non poteva essere il sposato di Carmela ma qualcun altro.

Because Carmela received Michele's pension, Michele named her beneficiary.

The Michele in Philadelphia whom we are discussing might not be the husband of Carmela but someone else.

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 26, 2007 10:35 pm    Post subject: Re: New search Reply with quote

1914 Manifest for Michele Ianovale, line 23
Ancona arriving Port of Philadelphia
Michele Ianovale, age 23
Last residence and place of birth Buonalbergo
Nearest relative father Felix in Buonalbergo
Destination Philadelphia to join brother Giuseppe
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On same manifest see Line 28, Michele Bocchicchio, age 26, wife Carmela (darn, no surname given) in Buonalbergo, destination Philadelphia to join brother Luigi. Passport or Naturalization notations.

Also check lines 29 and 30 Giovanbattista Gaggiano (Caggiano) and wife Maria from Buonalbergo going to Philadelphia.


What's everyone think?

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 27, 2007 11:24 am    Post subject: Re: New search Reply with quote

Biff83 wrote:
1914 Manifest for Michele Ianovale, line 23
Ancona arriving Port of Philadelphia
Michele Ianovale, age 23
Last residence and place of birth Buonalbergo
Nearest relative father Felix in Buonalbergo
Destination Philadelphia to join brother Giuseppe
Page 1

Page 2

EDITED TO ADD
On same manifest see Line 28, Michele Bocchicchio, age 26, wife Carmela (darn, no surname given) in Buonalbergo, destination Philadelphia to join brother Luigi. Passport or Naturalization notations.

Also check lines 29 and 30 Giovanbattista Gaggiano (Caggiano) and wife Maria from Buonalbergo going to Philadelphia.


What's everyone think?

Biff
You are a genius John!!!
I believe that you have found the person that looked for!!!!
Giovanbattista I don't know who both but to Buonalbergo there are a lot of people that call Caggiano.
I believe that Michael is the husband of Carmela, they arrange a lot of things (his wife's name, the country, the year of birth...)
Is it the same person of whom we spoke you and I yesterday then? wife Jennie and child Louis??

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