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PostPosted: Tue Dec 23, 2008 5:04 am    Post subject: The dreaded brick wall Reply with quote

I've had more success than I possibly could have imagined tracing my grandfather's family all the way back to 1760 in Reggio Calabria. With my grandmother's family it's the complete opposite. I've hit a brick wall and have not been able to discover where exactly my grandmother's family immigrated from. The ship manifest, census, death, cemetery and social security records all only say Italy. All the birth records of the children they had in the US only say Italy. There are no naturalization records. I have sent for and received every possible US record and had no luck. The family names are Giannattasio, De Rosa and Ferraro, they sailed out of Naples to NY in 1891. Any opinions or ideas much appreciated?
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 23, 2008 11:25 am    Post subject: Re: The dreaded brick wall Reply with quote

As a point of reference can you either post their ship manifests or their complete names and dates of immigration? Are there any "family legends" that offer any clues?

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PostPosted: Tue Dec 23, 2008 1:07 pm    Post subject: Re: The dreaded brick wall Reply with quote

I had that same problem for my husbands mothers line. I found the exact town name of the her fathers death certificate. It was not any other record.

When I was a kid, I was raised in a city with a large Italian population..so knew a lot of Italian people. Nobody ever said their town name. You heard things like....near naples...if you asked where they were from. My mother used to say that (but she was born here, she meant her parents). Then she graduated to say..basilicata. I thouht that was the town name, until I started genealogy. I was lucky with them. I got the town name with the first record I got. They were from rionero..which isnt exactly "near naples".
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 23, 2008 3:04 pm    Post subject: Re: The dreaded brick wall Reply with quote

It's highly probable they came from Campania region, but it's not possible to say the town: if you try with the surnames you are looking for in this site: www.gens.labo.net/en/c...enera.html you'll have an idea about their actual spread.

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PostPosted: Tue Dec 23, 2008 5:27 pm    Post subject: Re: The dreaded brick wall Reply with quote

Thank you for your kind responses. Yes, I do believe they were from Campania and, of course, my family says they came Napoli. My family also said my grandfather's family came from Messina but their town was Oppido Mamertina. I have exhausted my family for 2 years with this quest and they have nothing more to tell me.
De Rosa and Ferraro are very common surnames that occur in many towns, Giannattasio is a little less common. I used this search engine for a list of provinces: italia.indettaglio.it/...ania.html. Also Gen's: Avellino (AV); Benevento (BN); Caserta (CE); Salerno (SA).
I have a question about the given name of Maria Giannattasio. She is on some documents as Mariagnese Giannattasio and Mariuccia Giannattasio. Any opinions?
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 23, 2008 6:45 pm    Post subject: Re: The dreaded brick wall Reply with quote

Just my opinion. I think they used whatever it was they were actually called...especially when they got to the states. I always knew my grandmothers name was Lucia. This name is also on her marriage certificate.

She was the 2nd or 3rd person that I found a ship passenger record for. On that record it had Ma Lucia. Who the heck knew what that meant. (I was new at this and had no idea that Ma was the abbreviation for Maria.

Years later I got her birth record. That says..Maria Lucia. And her mother, whom I thought was Concetta (since the first daughter was named after her and thats her name) shows on Lucias birth record as Maria Concetta. But, I think, when they enter the names on these records, they put them backwards. I believe although the Maria shows first, its actually the middle name of both of them. (Which makes me wonder what the actual name is on these trento baptisims that I have been indexing for the FHL. We put exactly what we see..so if they are putting the middle name first, a whole lot of people arent going to be sure they got the right person, when searching.

Anyway..I think that mariagnese is her legal given name..and she was called maria..so thats what she came to use. As for my grandmother..she became Lucy.. All of the census records have Lucy for her. A shame..because Lucia is such a pretty name.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 23, 2008 7:55 pm    Post subject: Re: The dreaded brick wall Reply with quote

giannattasio wrote:
Thank you for your kind responses. Yes, I do believe they were from Campania and, of course, my family says they came Napoli. My family also said my grandfather's family came from Messina but their town was Oppido Mamertina. I have exhausted my family for 2 years with this quest and they have nothing more to tell me.
De Rosa and Ferraro are very common surnames that occur in many towns, Giannattasio is a little less common. I used this search engine for a list of provinces: italia.indettaglio.it/...ania.html. Also Gen's: Avellino (AV); Benevento (BN); Caserta (CE); Salerno (SA).
I have a question about the given name of Maria Giannattasio. She is on some documents as Mariagnese Giannattasio and Mariuccia Giannattasio. Any opinions?
Mariagnese is Mary Agnes although I have never seen these 2 names as one like Mariantonia before - perhaps it is done like this locally? Mariuccia was what my grandmother's cousin was called. Literally translated it means little Mary and is used when an older Maria exists in the family. Francescina (spelling?) is "little" Francesca in the same manner.
Did you obtain all the death and US marriage records of all your Giannattasio family members? I assumed since my great grandmother's death record only listed "Italy" as a birth place and her parents names only had "Tony" that her siblings records would say the same - I was wrong. Maybe they had cousins that came here? I found my grandfather's birthplace by asking "extended" family.

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PostPosted: Tue Dec 23, 2008 9:14 pm    Post subject: Re: The dreaded brick wall Reply with quote

Believe me Cathy, I have exhausted everyone and everything possible. Thanks for the great input, very much appreciated.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 23, 2008 10:25 pm    Post subject: Re: The dreaded brick wall Reply with quote

Cathy wrote:
Mariuccia was what my grandmother's cousin was called. Literally translated it means little Mary and is used when an older Maria exists in the family. Francescina (spelling?) is "little" Francesca in the same manner.
Like me...ErminiNUCCIA. Smile

As for Maria Concetta, Maria Rosa, Maria Antonia, etc..it was common to give the name of the Maria in front of many first names to the female born. In fact, all of my great aunts had Maria as their first name. It was also given first because in some parts of Italy, the second name is used when addressing a person. Now, like Cathy, I have never seen the name Mariagnese from my towns but that doesn't mean it's not a name. Perhaps she went as Agnese?

Maybe you should just take a wild chance and write away to some of the comuni you suspect could be her place of birth and see what the response is. You have very little to lose.

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 24, 2008 12:02 am    Post subject: Re: The dreaded brick wall Reply with quote

We had a friend we called noochie. His name was carmine. My mother was giovannina. Out of all the Italian records I have seen, before and during my indexing, I seldom saw giovannina. It was always giovanna. But when I did those few records for ancestry..it was used a lot in one of the towns I worked on. Anyway..my mother became jennie..when she went to school. I have to laugh, because my son in laws mothers friends daughter had a baby girl and named her giovannina...after her grandmother who is also giovannina. We didnt take that route in my family. My granddaughter is Jenna.,,lol

As far as those double names. They were very popular in my husbands fathers town in the province of avellino. A lot of names were stuck together..pietrantonio, michelangelo, etc. What I have been seeing in the indexing records, is only giovanbattista or giovambattista. I dont know if the second one is a spelling error or not..but I have seen it during a huge timespan..so I am guessing, thats the name.

On both sides of my family, my grandparents didnt give their kids middle names..thus..I have none. The only middle name I have is the one I chose for confirmation.
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 24, 2008 1:12 am    Post subject: Re: The dreaded brick wall Reply with quote

You read my mind Nuccia. I do have a dob from her death cert so I was going to send off some letters after the holidays. I've had amazing luck with writing letters to Italia in the past. Tanti Auguri di Buon Natale a Tutti!!!
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 24, 2008 10:05 am    Post subject: Re: The dreaded brick wall Reply with quote

Thanks..you too! Smile

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