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#16: Re: Are they Italian....or not? Author: ElevenLocation: New York PostPosted: Sun Feb 15, 2009 12:12 pm
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I think the no vowel thing seems so odd is because mostly southerners immigrated. This is also why we see mostly "red" Italian food here. Most of the Italian restaurants make southern food.

#17: Re: Are they Italian....or not? Author: uantitiLocation: Biella (Piedmont) and Venezia/Venice, Italy PostPosted: Mon Feb 16, 2009 1:01 pm
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Eleven wrote:
Uantiti, I noticed signature on the IG forum. You do know that ancestry is working on marriage and death records from that area, right? Just thought I would mention that, just in case.

Thank you but I started working on Bogogno microfilms more than 2 years ago. I've got 2,000 names, all more or less related to my maternal side. Unfortunately there are no microfilms for the other two towns for my paternal side. The LDS centre is 5 minutes from my house. They gave me the keys and I go there whenever I have time.
I added these towns to my signature as I know that many relatives of mine emigrated. In case their descendants start a genealogical tree they might decide to get in touch and we can exchange information.

Another thing on surnames is that many times when looking at Italian surnames we can understand which part of the country that person is from. Also first names are Southern names or Northern names.

About twins, I would say that women being countinously pregnant have a high chance to have twins, sooner or later. Anyway twins do not give birth to twins but the next generation has high chances to.

As for cousin marriages, people were not moving out so much from their villages and there were sometimes economical interests to preserve. I'm not amazed at these things. I've read books on what was people's country life toward the end of 1800. Laws, mentality, morality were different and life was hard for everybody, especially for women.

Ada

#18: Re: Are they Italian....or not? Author: ElevenLocation: New York PostPosted: Mon Feb 16, 2009 5:20 pm
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My grandfathers sister had 2 sets of twins. She had 14 kids (in this country, not there). My cousin who is also a great niece of this woman, had twins. They are her 4th and 5th children. My son has twins, but I think they are passed down by the female..since when they are fraternal, the mother drops 2 eggs and apparently this is passed down ito the women in the family. My daughter in laws mothers cousin has twins, so thats where ours come from..not me.

I dont know if anyone here is very close to someone with twins..but, they are a handful. I used to watch my daughter in law bottle feed both at once. Heh..when I had to babysit them..and feed them babyfood..it was a comedy routine. I even had my husband here to help..and it was like we were all thumbs. My daughter in law told me how she did it..but, I dunno..I think I got more food on them, me, and the two dishtowels that I had by me, than i got in their mouths.

If my daughter in law was pregnant with these babies back then..we wouldnt have them. She was bedridden for 2 months and hospitalized for a couple of weeks and still delivered them 6 weeks early. They were both big,(over 5 lbs) but had to stay in the hospital a couple of weeks due to immature lung developement. They are almost 6 and huge, now. You would never believe these two were preemies.

As far as first cousins marrying. I always thought that they couldnt because something would happen with the children. Apparently, not...if they were doing it back then.

#19: Re: Are they Italian....or not? Author: lilbeesLocation: Georgia, USA PostPosted: Tue Feb 17, 2009 9:50 am
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uantiti wrote:
Eleven wrote:
Uantiti, I noticed signature on the IG forum. You do know that ancestry is working on marriage and death records from that area, right? Just thought I would mention that, just in case.

Thank you but I started working on Bogogno microfilms more than 2 years ago. I've got 2,000 names, all more or less related to my maternal side. Unfortunately there are no microfilms for the other two towns for my paternal side. The LDS centre is 5 minutes from my house. They gave me the keys and I go there whenever I have time.
I added these towns to my signature as I know that many relatives of mine emigrated. In case their descendants start a genealogical tree they might decide to get in touch and we can exchange information.

Another thing on surnames is that many times when looking at Italian surnames we can understand which part of the country that person is from. Also first names are Southern names or Northern names.

About twins, I would say that women being countinously pregnant have a high chance to have twins, sooner or later. Anyway twins do not give birth to twins but the next generation has high chances to.

As for cousin marriages, people were not moving out so much from their villages and there were sometimes economical interests to preserve. I'm not amazed at these things. I've read books on what was people's country life toward the end of 1800. Laws, mentality, morality were different and life was hard for everybody, especially for women.

Ada

Kind Ada, would you have a listing of a book or two that you referenced reading? Would certainly like to read about that time period.

lilbees

#20: Re: Are they Italian....or not? Author: uantitiLocation: Biella (Piedmont) and Venezia/Venice, Italy PostPosted: Wed Feb 18, 2009 11:06 am
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lilbees,
can you read Italian?


Ada

#21: Re: Are they Italian....or not? Author: lilbeesLocation: Georgia, USA PostPosted: Wed Feb 18, 2009 11:07 am
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Very little to none.

lilbees

#22: Re: Are they Italian....or not? Author: uantitiLocation: Biella (Piedmont) and Venezia/Venice, Italy PostPosted: Wed Feb 18, 2009 11:50 am
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That's a problem. A book I read that moved me to tears was "L'anello forte" The strong link by Nuto Revelli. It's a collection of interviews to old countrywomen. An inside view of life between the end of 1800 and the beginning of 1900. Also another book by the same author describes life in the past two centuries. Some libraries have books written by local authors on history and life of their villages but I guess there isn't an English version.
I will try and see if there is something in English or online books on the matter.
I'll let you know the result of my search.

Ada giornale

#23: Re: Are they Italian....or not? Author: lilbeesLocation: Georgia, USA PostPosted: Wed Feb 18, 2009 12:41 pm
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Ada, thank you so much. That would be very helpful.

lilbees

#24: Re: Are they Italian....or not? Author: uantitiLocation: Biella (Piedmont) and Venezia/Venice, Italy PostPosted: Thu Mar 05, 2009 8:24 am
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I've been searching for books in English on what was life in the past. Meanwhile I came across an interesting book. This is an example on what's written:

...women and daughters were forbidden to follow the funerals of relatives, "as women are weak and cannot refrain from crying"....(page 28)

....The right to correct a wife was unequivocally set forth in statutory law......A wife could be beaten but not with iron, a wooden stick could be used, blood must not be seen.....(page 39) Shocked Shocked Shocked

Please spend a little bit of your time and enjoy (?) reading it as there are many other interesting sentences.

Part of the book is in Italian. It's in English from page 25.

Medieval Life

Of course everybody knows there was a discrimination but I wanted to share these few pages.

Ada

#25: Re: Are they Italian....or not? Author: lilbeesLocation: Georgia, USA PostPosted: Thu Mar 05, 2009 9:28 am
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Majoring in Anthropology in college I certainly avoided Socialogy much to my sorrow today. I will certainly make an effort now, because of my recent family searches, to learn more of their life. The material you referenced is quite informative. Reading through a page or two and all I can say is wow! And we think we have it so hard. It must really have been tough for the strong, intelligent women in my family. Certainly a case of speaking softly but carrying an invisible stick.

Thank you so much Ada. Very appreciated. Will continue to read.

Lilbees

#26: Re: Are they Italian....or not? Author: Cathy PostPosted: Thu Mar 05, 2009 12:25 pm
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uantiti wrote:
I've been searching for books in English on what was life in the past. Meanwhile I came across an interesting book. This is an example on what's written:

...women and daughters were forbidden to follow the funerals of relatives, "as women are weak and cannot refrain from crying"....(page 28)

....The right to correct a wife was unequivocally set forth in statutory law......A wife could be beaten but not with iron, a wooden stick could be used, blood must not be seen.....(page 39) Shocked Shocked Shocked

Please spend a little bit of your time and enjoy (?) reading it as there are many other interesting sentences.

Part of the book is in Italian. It's in English from page 25.

Medieval Life

Of course everybody knows there was a discrimination but I wanted to share these few pages.

Ada
Ada, thanks so much for taking the time and trouble to provide us with this most interesting link. I just love reading about this type of "personal" history. This is the hardest type of information to find. I have more respect and compassion for the women who came before me now.

#27: Re: Are they Italian....or not? Author: nucciaLocation: Toronto, Ontario, Canada PostPosted: Thu Mar 05, 2009 3:34 pm
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Ada,

It's so wonderful of you to find and post this link! I also enjoying reading this type of material. Thank you!



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