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PostPosted: Mon Jan 28, 2008 4:50 pm    Post subject: Great Grandfather Reply with quote

Although my great grandfather was born in UK, I know, from what my mother said, that he was Irish. I have the following info about him:

James Drake was born in 1819 in Liverpool, UK and died on 10 july 1905, location unknown. This is a Picture of his tomb:
James married Jane Moore. Jane died after 1905.
James and Jane had several children, the following list may be uncompleted:
M i. James Drake was born on 18 March 1846 in London, UK.
F ii. Harriett Drake was born on 21 February 1848 in London, UK and died on 02 November 1931 in Lion, France.
M iii. John Drake was born on 04 May 1849 in Capetown, South Africa.
F iv. Mary Drake was born on 28 February 1852 in Dublin, Ireland (Cullenswood Av 25).
M v. Richard Drake was born on 28 February 1852 in Dublin, Ireland (Cullenswood Av 25).
M vi. Alfred Drake was born on 15 march 1854 in Dublin, Ireland (Lower Baggot Street 10) and died in December 1855.
F vii. Jane Drake was born on 05 October 1856 in Dublin, Ireland (Upper Rathmines 118). Jane married Giuseppe Sangiorgi. Giuseppe was born in 1850 in Massa Lombarda, (RAVENNA), Italia and died in 1928.
F viii. Florence Drake was born on 15 October 1857 in Dublin, Ireland (Upper Rathmines 118) and died on 28 April 1939 in Novara,
(NOVARA), Italia. Florence married Riboldi.
F ix. Alice Drake was born on 06 march 1859 in Dublin, Ireland (Upper Rathmines 118) and died in 1935 in Torino, (TORINO), Italia. Alice married Enea Zuffi. Enea was born in Bologna, (BOLOGNA), Italia.
M x. Louis Drake was born in 1861 in Dublin, Ireland (Rathmines Rd 26) and died from 1862 to 1863.
F xi. Edith Drake was born on 18 November 1862 in Dublin, Ireland (Rathmines Rd 26) and died on 05 November 1940 in Roma,
(ROMA), Italia. She never married and had no children
F xii. Frances Drake was born circa august 1863 in Dublin, Ireland (Rathmines Rd 26) and died on 15 April 1864.
F xiii. Anne Drake was born on 03 October 1865 in Dublin, Ireland (Castlewood Av) and died ad Albisola, (SAVONA), Italia.
She never married and had no children
M xiv. Joseph Drake was born in Isle of Man (Althol Street 15).
F xv. Corinna Drake was born on 05 January 1873 in Savona, (SAVONA), Italia (Via Santa Lucia), was baptized in Nice, France, died on 25 September 1964 in Roma, (ROMA), Italia, and was buried on 28 September 1964 in Torino, (TORINO), Italia (Cimitero
Monumentale, Tomba Dollero-Martin, Campo Primitivo n.62, Torino).
Corinna married Emanuele Dollero, son of Tancredi Dollero and Ernesta Cane, on 18 June 1906 in Torino, (TORINO),
Italia. Emanuele was born on 22 september 1874 in Torino, (TORINO), Italia, died on 26 January 1942 in Roma, (ROMA), Italia,
and was buried on 30 January 1942 in Torino, (TORINO), Italia (Cimitero Monumentale, Tomba Dollero-Martin, Campo Primitivo
n.62, Torino).

I would like to find out additional information...

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 28, 2008 8:32 pm    Post subject: Re: Great Grandfather Reply with quote

Hi Livio,
Can't help ypu with the Italian end of your research, but I'll have a go at the UK/Irish searches....

I do have worldwide Ancestry so I'll see waht I can find. giornale

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 29, 2008 2:11 am    Post subject: Re: Great Grandfather Reply with quote

Livio

I went through all the transcribed records for England, Ireland and Scotland on this site and came up with nothing for James Drake (where he is buried)
ancestorsatrest.com/ce...y_records/

I have a few other sites to check and hopefully I'll find something.

For all the names listed.......what documents do you already have OR what documents are you looking for? I'll be happy to try and find whatever I can for you.

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 29, 2008 4:59 am    Post subject: Re: Great Grandfather Reply with quote

BillieDeKid wrote:
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For all the names listed.......what documents do you already have OR what documents are you looking for? I'll be happy to try and find whatever I can for you.

Smile

I only have an piece of paper, handwritten by my mother, listing all the names. Other info were obtained by interviewing relatives. And I have a Death Certificate for my grandmother, Corinna Drake.
That's all.

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 29, 2008 6:11 am    Post subject: Re: Great Grandfather Reply with quote

Here is the index entry to his marriage to Jane Moore:

Name: James Drake to Jane Moore
Year of Registration: March 1845
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
District: St Giles
County: London, Middlesex
Volume: 1


and then I found a little more details here:

Marriages Mar 1845
Drake James (District Bloomsbury) to Moore Jane Volume 1 Page 84


The district Bloomsbury is an alternative name for St Giles and it spans the boundaries of the counties of London and Middlesex;

The exiting thing about this marriage record (when you order it) is that it will list both the Groom and Bride's Father's names!!

Here is an example of an 1842 London Marriage record, the format is identical to what you will get with James Drake's marriage:

www.gowlland.net/Marri...wlland.JPG

and here is another (example) from 1848:

www.pask.org.uk/Matern...k-Bogg.jpg

Let me see what else I can find.

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 29, 2008 6:27 am    Post subject: Re: Great Grandfather Reply with quote

liviomoreno wrote:

I only have an piece of paper, handwritten by my mother, listing all the names. Other info were obtained by interviewing relatives. And I have a Death Certificate for my grandmother, Corinna Drake.
That's all.

Essendo Corinna nata nel 1873 a Savona non dovrebbe essere difficile ottenere il suo estratto (o copia completa) di nascita. Hai già provato a richiederli? (So che è scontato e che potresti già averlo fatto, ma a volte uno dà per accertate le nformazioni orali che già possiede e non si preoccupa di richiedere gli originali, dove invece potrebbe, e sottolineo potrebbe, trovare nuovi spunti di ricerca).
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 29, 2008 7:28 am    Post subject: Re: Great Grandfather Reply with quote

I have a copy of the Registry Book of Birth of my grandmother Corinna, from this document I was able to locate Liverpool as the birth place of my ggfather James.


The birth date in this document is Jan 8 1873, while I know for sure that she was born the 5th of January. This date is reported in the Estratto del registro degli Atti di morte and Corinna always claimed that she was born on the 5th.

Maybe I should ask for an estratto di nascita.

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 29, 2008 8:33 am    Post subject: Re: Great Grandfather Reply with quote

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Maybe I should ask for an estratto di nascita.

Direi proprio di si (chiedi comunque la copia integrale). E aggiungerei anche la copia dell'atto di matrimonio.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 29, 2008 9:12 am    Post subject: Re: Great Grandfather Reply with quote

Livio, did you see my post? You will have the fathers of both James Drake And Jane Moore if you order this record:


Name: James Drake to Jane Moore
Year of Registration: March 1845
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
District: St Giles (Bloomsbury)
County: London, Middlesex
Volume: 1 Page 84

It will also tell you their residences at the time of marriage!

here is where to order it:

www.vitalengland.com/e...te-5-p.asp

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 29, 2008 11:59 am    Post subject: Re: Great Grandfather Reply with quote

James, I am glad you posted this site. I have been needing several documents for another branch of my tree and this is tremendous.

I am sure Livio will be happy with this site as well.

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 29, 2008 12:18 pm    Post subject: Re: Great Grandfather Reply with quote

lilbees wrote:
James, I am glad you posted this site. I have been needing several documents for another branch of my tree and this is tremendous.

I am sure Livio will be happy with this site as well.

lilbees

I like the "Scan and Send" Option, you could have it in half the time!

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 29, 2008 12:24 pm    Post subject: Re: Great Grandfather Reply with quote

That is a great option. When you don't need something certified that works great. I am trying it today.

Thanks again,
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 29, 2008 1:28 pm    Post subject: Re: Great Grandfather Reply with quote

But the certificates from the British Government Records Office (GRO) only cost £7.00, and the 'turnround' time is the same... So these seem quite expensive IMHO!

>UK Government Records Office<

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 29, 2008 1:44 pm    Post subject: Re: Great Grandfather Reply with quote

Carole wrote:
But the certificates from the British Government Records Office (GRO) only cost £7.00, and the 'turnround' time is the same... So these seem quite expensive IMHO!

>UK Government Records Office<

Carole,
I have tried to navigate in the site but I was not able to fiind the right form to be filled and proceed with the order...

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 29, 2008 2:57 pm    Post subject: Re: Great Grandfather Reply with quote

liviomoreno wrote:
Carole wrote:
But the certificates from the British Government Records Office (GRO) only cost £7.00, and the 'turnround' time is the same... So these seem quite expensive IMHO!

>UK Government Records Office<

Carole,
I have tried to navigate in the site but I was not able to fiind the right form to be filled and proceed with the order...

Sorry Livio,
You do have to register with them to navigate and search fully. It is free:

you can do so on this certificate ordering page too....

>Certificate Ordering & Register<

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