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uantiti Explorer
Joined: Nov 28, 2008 Posts: 356 Location: Biella (Piedmont) and Venezia/Venice, Italy
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Posted: Thu May 06, 2010 4:34 pm Post subject: Re: My relatives in US |
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Thank you Biff, very kind of you.
I don't know, there are a couple of names that could be from Bogogno. One is G. Rosa (line 551), 36 years old and I had a relative called Giovanni Rosa who was 36 in 1890 but I don't know anything about him at the moment. Another name is C. Marchino (line 527), 30 years old . My relative who was G. Marchini and was 32 in 1890. There is also a P. Rossi and Luigia's maiden name was Rossi. But Rossi is just like to say Smith in US.
The Nobile child looks 1 year old while he should have been 1 month old.
I'll see if something new comes out. May be on a census when they declare the year of immigration.
Thank you again.
Ada
_________________ Researching: Agazzone, Beretta, Bertona, Carbonati, Castelletta, Ferrari, Gallo, Guglielmetti, Marchini, Mascagni, Nicolazzi, Nobile, Rossi, Sacco, Tosone - gone to USA from Bogogno, province of Novara, Piedmont, Italy. |
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BillieDeKid V.I.P.
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Posted: Thu May 06, 2010 4:24 pm Post subject: Re: My relatives in US |
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Ada what was Luigia's last name?
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BillieDeKid V.I.P.
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BillieDeKid V.I.P.
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Posted: Thu May 06, 2010 3:06 pm Post subject: Re: My relatives in US |
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Here is a list of the Nobile in Iowa early 1900 hundreds. I'm doing a further search to see if I can find additional info. Let me know if you would like any of these posted.
10. NOBILE, ANDREW (1910 U.S. Census) IA, APPANOOSE, BELLAIR TWP, Age: 27, Race: W, Born: ITAL,
11. NOBILE, CHARLEY (1910 U.S. Census) IA, APPANOOSE, BELLAIR TWP, Age: 34, Race: W, Born: ITAL,
26. NABLILE, JOHN (1920 U.S. Census) IA, APPANOOSE, VERMILLION, Age: 27, Race: W, Born: ITAL,
30. NOBILE, BORGLO (1920 U.S. Census) IA, APPANOOSE, JEROME; LINCOLN, Age: 32, Race: W, Born: ITAL,
31. NOBILE, CHARLEY (1920 U.S. Census) IA, APPANOOSE, BELLAIR, Age: 44, Race: W, Born: ITAL,
32. NOBILE, GUIDE (1920 U.S. Census) IA, APPANOOSE, VERMILLION, Age: 37, Race: W, Born: ITAL,
33. NOBILI, LEO (1920 U.S. Census) IA, APPANOOSE, JEROME; LINCOLN, Age: 23, Race: W, Born: ITAL,
34. NOBLE, HENRY (1920 U.S. Census) IA, APPANOOSE, JEROME; LINCOLN, Age: 43, Race: W, Born: ITAL,
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Biff83 V.I.P.
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Posted: Thu May 06, 2010 2:12 pm Post subject: Re: My relatives in US |
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Ada,
Here's the 1890 manifest per your above request. Lines 533 and following.
img98.imageshack.us/im...le1890.jpg
Biff
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uantiti Explorer
Joined: Nov 28, 2008 Posts: 356 Location: Biella (Piedmont) and Venezia/Venice, Italy
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Posted: Thu May 06, 2010 12:22 pm Post subject: Re: My relatives in US |
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Thanks to Billie's efforts I could see Ernesta (Mascagni) Sacco's tombstone with birth and death dates. She's on Find A Grave website now and so is her husband Joe. I appreciate all what Billie and Biff did (and will do ) to help me in my search.
Going back to the list Billie posted, I didn't know who this man, here below, was
BillieDeKid wrote: |
Giuseppe Nobili(e) arrived jan 25th 1921 from genoa jan. 10th line 10 going to his mother Luigia in Jerome Iowa states that he
was born in Kansas. states he left his uncle giovanni sacco in bogogno. states that giuseppe was a mason
ship s.s. duca degli abruzzi
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I didn't know him as he was born in Kansas and he's 26 years old, so he wasn't on Bogogno's microfilms. He states he's going to his mother Luigia in Iowa. So the only Nobile married to a Luigia was Ambrogio Nobile. Ambrogio went to Kansas after 1890 and died in a mine accident in 1904. The town hall in Bogogno received a declaration from Kansas stating that he died in Pittsburg, Crawford, Kansas and that the declarant was his son Peter. Peter (Pietro) was only 14 years old. He had reached his father one year before ( May 1903). Pietro (Peter) was born in Bogogno on June 1890 but if Giuseppe was born in Kansas this means Luigia was in Kansas too around 1895 or before. I couldn't find a 1900 Census in Pittsburg, Kansas for a family like this:
Nobile or Noble or Nobli
Ambrogio (Ambrose?) abt 40
Luigia (Louisa?) abt 36
Peter abt 10
Joe abt 5
There might have been other children.
On Castle Garden I found:
Name A.
Last Name NOBILE
Age 29
Sex male
Ship LA BRETAGNE
Arrived 1 Sep 1890
Country ITALY
Dep HAVRE
He's travelling with his wife Mrs Nobile (no first name, age 23) and 1 child. If there are other people from Bogogno with them, it might conferm that's the above family. Can someone please post the image for me? Thank you.
Ada
_________________ Researching: Agazzone, Beretta, Bertona, Carbonati, Castelletta, Ferrari, Gallo, Guglielmetti, Marchini, Mascagni, Nicolazzi, Nobile, Rossi, Sacco, Tosone - gone to USA from Bogogno, province of Novara, Piedmont, Italy. |
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uantiti Explorer
Joined: Nov 28, 2008 Posts: 356 Location: Biella (Piedmont) and Venezia/Venice, Italy
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Posted: Tue Apr 27, 2010 4:02 pm Post subject: Re: My relatives in US |
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Hello Biff,
thank you very much for posting the image. I suspected there was a mispelling. I would never have found Joe Sacco under Davis. I assumed that Galileo Mascagni was difficult to write and read so I searched on ancestry listings using only "Ga" for his name and "Mas" for his surname and I was quite lucky as a similar name came out. I wonder under what other name he was listed as I couldn't find him on any following census.
Thanks for your help.
Ada
_________________ Researching: Agazzone, Beretta, Bertona, Carbonati, Castelletta, Ferrari, Gallo, Guglielmetti, Marchini, Mascagni, Nicolazzi, Nobile, Rossi, Sacco, Tosone - gone to USA from Bogogno, province of Novara, Piedmont, Italy. |
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Biff83 V.I.P.
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Posted: Tue Apr 27, 2010 11:02 am Post subject: Re: My relatives in US |
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Ada,
Here's the 1910 US Census. Definitely Joe and Ernesta Sacco, and Galileo Mascagni.
img72.imageshack.us/im...co1910.jpg
Biff
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uantiti Explorer
Joined: Nov 28, 2008 Posts: 356 Location: Biella (Piedmont) and Venezia/Venice, Italy
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Posted: Tue Apr 27, 2010 7:59 am Post subject: Re: My relatives in US |
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BillieDeKid wrote: |
Ada it's strange that I can't find a 1910 census for her or Giuseppe. Ernesta does appear on the 1920 census with Giuseppe (Joe) Sacco her husband, her mother-in-law, the kids and a brother-in-law (Serafino Mascagni) who could be her brother. I was also thinking that Serafino could be married to one of Giuseppe's sisters or to one of Ernesta's sisters, which would make him Giuseppes brother-in-law also (just a thought) . I noticed Ernesta listed her mother in Italy ....... what is her mothers last name? Possible that Ernesta was in the USA with her mothers relatives in 1901?
Biff might like to take a look at the documents. Hope you see something I'm missing Biff.
1913 manifest page 1 - for Ernesta, children and mother-in-law (Serafina Vecchio-mother of Giuseppe Sacco)
1913 manifest page 2
1915 Iowa census registration card - Ernesta
1920 Federal census - Giuseppe (Joe) Sacco, Ernesta, children, Serena (mother of Giuseppe) and brother-in-law Serafino Mascagni
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At the end I said something wrong. The census I saw was 1920 and not 1910 and is the same you posted here above. Serafino was Ernesta's brother as Giuseppe (Joe) Sacco lost his father (Luigi) when he was only 4 years old. Giuseppe had two older sisters: Teresa married to Ambrogio Guglielmetti (the one who went in US in 1910 mentioned in my previous answer) and Rosa married to Martino Mora. Rosa died in 1908 when she was only 26.
Ernesta's name is often mispelled by ancestry's indexer, I found this listings:
Iowa State Census Collection, 1836-1925
1910s
Name: Ernesti Sacco
Birth Year: abt 1890
Residence State: Iowa
Residence County: Appanoose
Mother's Birth Year: abt 1857
Name: Ernesti Sacco
Spouse: Joe Sacco
Birth: abt 1890 - location
Residence: date - Appanoose, Iowa
Iowa State Census Collection, 1836-1925
1910s
Name: Ernesta Socco
Birth Year: abt 1890
Name: Ernesta Socco
Birth: abt 1890 - location
Residence: 1915 - Appanoose, Iowa
Where she's listed as Ernesti Sacco it comes out "other possible name: Ernesti Muscagne".
Biff found Ernesta's brothers ship manifests. I had also seen those manifests before when I was trying to find a manifest for Ernesta's first travel (which I never found). Their mother's surname could be Guerrini or Guerrino (this surnames exist in Lizzano in Belvedere, Bologna).
On 1913 ship manifest Ernesta (with children and mother in law) says her mother is Angela Guerina but this surname doesn't exist and her mother wasn't in Bogogno, the clerk mixed up Bologna and Bogogno I suppose.
I also found that Galileo (Ernesta's brother) could be this:
Name: Gahles Maseayini
Birth: abt 1893 - location
Arrival: year
Residence: 1910 - city, Appanoose, Iowa
Age in 1910: 17
Household Members:
Name Age
Joe Davis 25
Ermerta Davis 20
Louis Davis 3/12
Mike Buffo 35
Gahles Maseayini 17
Palmina Fernetti 22
Emil Onassale 61
Barney Forero 21
Patro Onesto 31
Tony Garmero 25
Theodore Maroni 30
Could it be that Joe, Ermerta and Louis DAVIS are Joe, Ernesta and Louis Sacco? First names match although the surname is completely different. This could be the reason it's impossible to find them. Can you find this census so that we can see what's written?
Last thing, on ancestry listings for 1930 Census there is a Serafino Mascagni married to Virgil DeMarchi and I suppose there weren't so many Serafino Mascagnis around.
I hope I didn't mix up things too much. I know connections among relatives but for others reading it might look and sound very confusing.
Thank you to all for any help. I might finish my (very large) family tree one of these days.....
Ada
_________________ Researching: Agazzone, Beretta, Bertona, Carbonati, Castelletta, Ferrari, Gallo, Guglielmetti, Marchini, Mascagni, Nicolazzi, Nobile, Rossi, Sacco, Tosone - gone to USA from Bogogno, province of Novara, Piedmont, Italy.
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BillieDeKid V.I.P.
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Posted: Mon Apr 26, 2010 9:27 pm Post subject: Re: My relatives in US |
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Ada it's strange that I can't find a 1910 census for her or Giuseppe. Ernesta does appear on the 1920 census with Giuseppe (Joe) Sacco her husband, her mother-in-law, the kids and a brother-in-law (Serafino Mascagni) who could be her brother. I was also thinking that Serafino could be married to one of Giuseppe's sisters or to one of Ernesta's sisters, which would make him Giuseppes brother-in-law also (just a thought) . I noticed Ernesta listed her mother in Italy ....... what is her mothers last name? Possible that Ernesta was in the USA with her mothers relatives in 1901?
Biff might like to take a look at the documents. Hope you see something I'm missing Biff.
1913 manifest page 1 - for Ernesta, children and mother-in-law (Serafina Vecchio-mother of Giuseppe Sacco)
1913 manifest page 2
1915 Iowa census registration card - Ernesta
1920 Federal census - Giuseppe (Joe) Sacco, Ernesta, children, Serena (mother of Giuseppe) and brother-in-law Serafino Mascagni
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uantiti Explorer
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Posted: Mon Apr 26, 2010 5:24 pm Post subject: Re: My relatives in US |
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BillieDeKid wrote: |
Ambrogio Gugliemetti arrived june 25 1910 from le havre on jun 18th line 27 going to centerville iowa to his brother in law giuseppe Sacco. His wife teresa is still in bogogno he's a blacksmith.
Ambrogio Guglielmetti's wife was sister to Giuseppe Sacco. Ambrogio came back to Italy and died there. I'm interested to Giuseppe Sacco's family. I saw a 1910 census on FAMILY SEARCH site (now disappeared) where he declares he immigrated in 1902 but I couldn't find a ship manifest for him. His name could have been badly mispelled or I just missed it. He was born in Bogogno on September 11, 1884, his father was Luigi (died in 1888) and his mother Serena Vecchio. In November 1913 his mother Serena goes to US on Olympic. She's listed as Serene Sacco and travels with her daughter in law Ernesta Sacco and two children, Luigi and Angelina both born in US. Ernesta and Serena used their married name and I could find out that Ernesta' maiden name was Mascagni as her brother Serafino was in her house in 1910 and, as Biff found, there was also a Galileo Mascagni and they were all from Lizzano in Belvedere, province of Bologna. But I couldn't find Ernesta first travel to US. In 1910 Census she declared she immigrated in 1901. So I wonder where she went in 1901 in US and with whom. I don't think a woman could go to US alone. Either she was with a relative or married to someone who died. When she travels with her mother in law in 1913 she declares she had been in Centeville from 1908 to 1912. This means she was somewhere else from 1901 to 1908. Also her age continously changes, she looks sometimes older and sometimes younger than her husband Giuseppe Sacco. Their first child was born in January 1910. I assume they got married in 1908-1909 somewhere in US.
Serena (Vecchio) Sacco was 60 when she went to US and I suppose she never came back to Italy. She might be in a Centerville' cemetery.
Ada for mascagni do you have some possible birth years, years of travel and possible occupations
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I searched a lot and couldn't find those info. May be I'm searching the wrong way.....
Thank you
Ada
_________________ Researching: Agazzone, Beretta, Bertona, Carbonati, Castelletta, Ferrari, Gallo, Guglielmetti, Marchini, Mascagni, Nicolazzi, Nobile, Rossi, Sacco, Tosone - gone to USA from Bogogno, province of Novara, Piedmont, Italy. |
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uantiti Explorer
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Posted: Thu Apr 22, 2010 5:22 pm Post subject: Re: My relatives in US |
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BillieDeKid wrote: |
These next ones are all listed as coming from bozogno all on same manifest ship s.s. savoie
arrived jan 10 1904 from le havre left jan 2nd start line 8 through line 12
line 8 angelo nicolazzi going to nyc was here before in kansas city 1894 to 1903
brother pietro line 9 going to nyc here from 1894 to 1903
Angelo and Pietro were Francesco (Frank) Nicolazzi and Maria Marchini's sons.
line 10 vincenzo sacco going to nyc This is Giovanni, Attilio and Federico's father
line 11 giuseppe pastore going to nyc here from 1892 to 1897 kansas city Giuseppe Pastore, born in 1864, is also a relative, his mother was a Sacco and grandmothers were Guglielmetti and Nobile. In 1911, when his daughter got married, he sent his consent from Saint Louis, US. Don't know what happened to him.
line 12 luigi ferrari goig to nyc He's a relative. He came back as he got married in 1909
I saw this manifest. Although they declared they were going to NYC, I believe they were all going to Centerville or nearby.
Ada-
would you like the image for this manifest? I can easily download and post for you. |
Elisa, thank you but I could download the image.
Ada
_________________ Researching: Agazzone, Beretta, Bertona, Carbonati, Castelletta, Ferrari, Gallo, Guglielmetti, Marchini, Mascagni, Nicolazzi, Nobile, Rossi, Sacco, Tosone - gone to USA from Bogogno, province of Novara, Piedmont, Italy. |
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uantiti Explorer
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Posted: Thu Apr 22, 2010 5:14 pm Post subject: Re: My relatives in US |
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BillieDeKid wrote: |
Giuseppe Pastore, born in 1864, is also a relative, his mother was a Sacco and grandmothers were Guglielmetti and Nobile. In 1911, when his daughter got married, he sent his consent from Saint Louis, US. Don't know what happened to him.
Ada would this be the correct Giuseppe Pastore and family? 1910 census
If this is the correct Giuseppe I'll find the 1920 and 1930 census info for you. |
Thank you for searching but no, it's not him. He was in US in 1910 but his family was in Italy. His wife's name was Rosa. Their daughter was Teresa. I don't think his family ever went to US, he might have come come to Italy at the end, who knows.
Ada
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BillieDeKid V.I.P.
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Posted: Thu Apr 22, 2010 10:09 am Post subject: Re: My relatives in US |
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I was trying to find him in the boarder crossings but no luck so far. I will search this afternoon and with a little luck we'll find him.
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uantiti Explorer
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Posted: Thu Apr 22, 2010 5:57 am Post subject: Re: My relatives in US |
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Thank you Elisa for posting the 1920 Census. They were living in Vermillion, very close to Centerville, Iowa. It looks like Frank (Francesco) says he immigrated in US 1893. As far as I know he was in Canada before. Are there border crossings for that period ?
Ada
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