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PostPosted: Sun Apr 08, 2012 9:42 pm    Post subject: Re: Stelitano (Stillitano) / Ruffolo / Coseorelli (Casarelli Reply with quote

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Remember Italian women never changed their surnames when they married!

Do you mean that when a woman married a man, she did not take her husband's name, but kept her maiden name?
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 08, 2012 11:22 pm    Post subject: Re: Stelitano (Stillitano) / Ruffolo / Coseorelli (Casarelli Reply with quote

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I just read your post to my husband, who has watched me searching literally ALL DAY for DAYS and he said, "Those are some really nice people helping you."

I could not agree more!

Michelle

We are all family here on Gente; those of us who found each other in our genealogical searches share a common bond--all of us have been called to be the family scribe/historian, the one entrusted to locate the ancestors and bring them back to life by remembering them and sharing their memory.

We're happy you've become part of the family.

You'll like the following which was sent to me by another friend and family historian.

"My feelings are in each family there is one who seems called to find the ancestors. To put flesh on their bones and make them live again, to tell the family story and to feel that somehow they know and approve.

To me doing genealogy is not a cold gathering of facts but, instead, breathing life into all who have gone before. We are the story tellers of the tribe. All tribes have one. We have been called as it were by our genes. Those who have gone before cry out to us: Tell our story. So, we do.

In finding them, we somehow find ourselves. How many graves have I stood before now and cried? I have lost count. How many times have I told the ancestors you have a wonderful family you would be proud of us? How many times have I walked up to a grave and felt somehow there was love there for me? I cannot say.

It goes beyond just documenting facts. It goes to who am I and why do I do the things I do.

It goes to seeing a cemetery about to be lost forever to weeds and indifference and saying I can't let this happen. The bones here are bones of my bone and flesh of my flesh. It goes to doing something about it.

It goes to pride in what our ancestors were able to accomplish. How they contributed to what we are today.

It goes to respecting their hardships and losses, their never giving in or giving up, their resoluteness to go on and build a life for their family.

It goes to deep pride that they fought to make and keep us a nation. It goes to a deep and immense understanding that they were doing it for us. That we might be born who we are. That we might remember them. So we do.

With love and caring and scribing each fact of their existence, because we are them and they are us.

So, as a scribe called I tell the story of my family. It is up to that one called in the next generation to answer the call and take their place in the long line of family storytellers.

That is why I do my family genealogy, and that is what calls those young and old to step up and put flesh on the bones."
---Anonymous Author.

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And I've posted this before.

For the folks who have gone before us. The lyrics of this song have taken on a special meaning to me since I began my journey as I dream of those whose shoulders I stand on. When I get a little frustrated or encounter some bumps along the genealogical highway, this helps keep me going. Hopefully, you can relate to this also.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=geLAbyOTaZA (click link to left for audio)

A candy-colored clown they call the sandman
Tiptoes to my room every night
Just to sprinkle star dust and to whisper
“Go to sleep, everything is all right”

I close my eyes then I drift away
Into the magic night, I softly say
A silent prayer like dreamers do
Then I fall asleep to dream my dreams of you

In dreams I walk with you
In dreams I talk to you
In dreams you’re mine all the time
We’re together in dreams, in dreams

But just before the dawn
I awake and find you gone
I can’t help it, I can’t help it if I cry
I remember that you said goodbye

Too bad it only seems
It only happens in my dreams
Only in dreams
In beautiful dreams.

---Roy Orbison, "In Dreams"

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 09, 2012 11:02 am    Post subject: Re: Stelitano (Stillitano) / Ruffolo / Coseorelli (Casarelli Reply with quote

I wish I could give you a hug Biff!

I feel the same way as the poem - like as the beneficiaries of all the good done FOR US by our ancestors, we OWE it to them to keep their stories alive and not forget them. It hit a cord with me when my mother told me that she thought Rachaela had had "the saddest life of anyone I have ever known." Lord knows what her life was like in Italy - but by 25 she had two young daughters and no man around. She was faced with coming to the US to meet a stranger who would be her husband. She was forced to leave her young daughters behind. The man she was to marry got her to the US under false pretenses by sending a picture of a handsome young man 15 years his junior. In the next 10 years, Rachaela had 3 more children. By the time she was in her early 50s, she was a widow with three children to raise. My mother said to earn a living she used to "take in laundry and bake bread." And she did all this so her descendants would have a better life in America...

The Roy Orbison song makes me think of my father - who died three years ago at the age of 76 after a 16 year long battle with Parkinson's Disease and the associated dementia. He was SUCH a good man and I miss him so much. I think about him every day, and consider it truly lucky when I dream about him!

OK - my sister would say "TMI!" - or "too much information!" But I want you to know how much I appreciate EVERYTHING you are ALL doing for me and my family.

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 10, 2012 1:27 am    Post subject: Re: Stelitano (Stillitano) / Ruffolo / Coseorelli (Casarelli) ? Reply with quote

Michelle there is always one family member who becomes the 'historian' of the family and several others that think 'TMI' Those of us who share a love for our history can relate - my dad's been battling cancer since 1996 so I feel your pain. Each of us here has a personal story that triggers the need to find out more about our ancestors. And each of us have at one time or another helped each other with that journey. It took me almost five years to break down one brick wall but we did it - patience and perseverance is what it takes. I'm sure we will figure this out.
You may never find out exactly why your ancestors did what they did but I'm sure they had their reasons. Keep an open mind for I have found that with every family story there is a grain of truth and a whole lot of other stuff that got lost along the way. Sometimes we are lucky enough to find the truth, sometimes we're not. Meanwhile keep an open mind - things are not always as they appear.

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 10, 2012 1:30 am    Post subject: Re: Stelitano (Stillitano) / Ruffolo / Coseorelli (Casarelli Reply with quote

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Cathy wrote:
Remember Italian women never changed their surnames when they married!

Do you mean that when a woman married a man, she did not take her husband's name, but kept her maiden name?
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 10, 2012 1:47 am    Post subject: Re: Stelitano (Stillitano) / Ruffolo / Coseorelli (Casarelli) ? Reply with quote

Another ship manifest page for Felicetta..

www.gentedimareitalian...apetta.jpg

And the 1940 Census for Frank Naccarato and Mary..

www.gentedimareitalian...carato.png

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 10, 2012 1:49 am    Post subject: Re: Stelitano (Stillitano) / Ruffolo / Coseorelli (Casarelli Reply with quote

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Cathy wrote:
My center has births from 1884-1900. I can check these Tuesday if you would like.

I would be SO GRATEFUL Cathy! Yes, thank you very much!
OK. Don't look for the records until Wednesday tho. I will be at this center all day then I have to go to a different center for someone else tomorrow night. I probably won't get home until late. I'll post what I find by Wednesday noonish though.

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 10, 2012 3:33 am    Post subject: Re: Stelitano (Stillitano) / Ruffolo / Coseorelli (Casarelli) ? Reply with quote

Here's what I've found so far:


Name: Rachela Chiappetta 1
Sex: F
Birth: 15 JUN 1884 in Marano Marchesato, Cosenza, Calabria, Italia 1


Father: Ignazio Chiappetta b: ABT 1855
Mother: Carolina Bruni b: ABT 1857

Sources:

Title: Chiappetta, Rachela Birth Record 6/15/1884
Publication: LDS Film 1608135 Marano Marchesato, Calabria, Italy Civil Records; transcribed by Louise Juliani
Repository:
Media: Microfilm

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Name: Leonilda Chiappeta 1
Sex: F
Birth: ABT 1887 in Marano Marchesato, Cosenza, Calabria, Italia 2
Occupation: 1903 Contadina (farmer) 1
Residence: 1903 Marano Marchesato, Cosenza, Calabria, Italia 1

Father: Giovanni Chiappetta b: BET 1847 AND 1849
Mother: Caterina Ruffolo b: ABT 1858

Marriage 1 Pasquale Chiappetta b: 28 NOV 1884 in Marano Marchesato, Cosenza, Calabria, Italia

Married: 31 OCT 1903 in Marano Marchesato, Cosenza, Calabria, Italia 1

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Name: Concetta Carmella Divina Chiappetta 1
Sex: F
Birth: ABT 1887 in Marano Marchesato, Cosenza, Calabria, Italia 2
Occupation: 1904 Contadina 1
Residence: 1904 Marano Marchesato, Cosenza, Calabria, Italia 1

Father: Giuseppe Chiappetta b: ABT 1864
Mother: Raffaela Chiappetta

Marriage 1 Samuele Chiappetta b: ABT 1881 in Marano Marchesato, Cosenza, Calabria, Italia

Married: 23 OCT 1904 in Marano Marchesato, Cosenza, Calabria, Italia 1

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No Carmela Caputo anywhere!

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 10, 2012 8:36 pm    Post subject: Re: Stelitano (Stillitano) / Ruffolo / Coseorelli (Casarelli Reply with quote

I'd like to see the names of the parents on this birth record since the age matches the Concetta on the did not sail manifest from 1911. And the record from the registry might also show information about Concetta's subsequent marriage record.

1907
Birth Record# 69
Concetta Chiappetta


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PostPosted: Wed Apr 11, 2012 3:40 am    Post subject: Re: Stelitano (Stillitano) / Ruffolo / Coseorelli (Casarelli Reply with quote

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I'd like to see the names of the parents on this birth record since the age matches the Concetta on the did not sail manifest from 1911. And the record from the registry might also show information about Concetta's subsequent marriage record.

1907
Birth Record# 69
Concetta Chiappetta


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Unfortunately Biff, my center only has 2 films for Marano Marchesato and 1907 is not there. Sad

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 11, 2012 3:43 am    Post subject: Re: Stelitano (Stillitano) / Ruffolo / Coseorelli (Casarelli Reply with quote

OK I found and read a birth act for Rachela Chiapetta born on 16 June 1884 to Ignazio, aged 29 a laborer and Carolina Bruno. This must be her.
Ignazio married Carolina Bruno in 1880. That marriage would be quite helpful!
The film is really dark and hard to read!

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 11, 2012 3:57 am    Post subject: Re: Stelitano (Stillitano) / Ruffolo / Coseorelli (Casarelli) ? Reply with quote

What do you think of this? Question Then again she *may* have been too old to be our Rachela...

ID: I3720
Name: Carmella Chiappetta 1
Sex: F
Name: Carmina Chiappetta 2 3
Death: AFT 1904
Occupation: 1904 Contadina (farmer) 2 3
Residence: 1904 Marano Marchesato, Cosenza, Calabria, Italia 2 3



Marriage 1 Andrea Cosentino b: ABT 1844

Children

Has Children Francesco Cosentino b: ABT 1875 in Marano Marchesato, Cosenza, Calabria, Italia
Has No Children Rachela Cosentino b: ABT 1881 in Marano Marchesato, Cosenza, Calabria, Italia
Has Children Maria Divina Cosentino b: 27 MAY 1888 in Cosenza, Calabria, Italy


Sources:

Title: Louise M. Juliani Family Tree
Repository:
Media: Interview
Text: Mother of Maria Divina Cosentino
Title: Cosentino, Francesco and Porro, Gelsomina Marriage Record Apr 09, 1904
Publication: LDS Film 1642126 Marano Marchesato, Calabria, Italia Civil Records
Note: Atti # 3, pubblication # 5, Mar 20, 1904.
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Media: Microfilm
Title: Ruffolo, Giuseppe and Cosentino, Rachela Marriage Record, Apr 30 1904
Publication: LDS Film 1642126 Marano Marchesato, Calabria, Italia Civil Records
Note: Atti #7, Pubblication #7, April 2 1904
Repository:
Media: Microfilm

ID: I6243
Name: Rachela Cosentino 1
Sex: F
Birth: ABT 1881 in Marano Marchesato, Cosenza, Calabria, Italia 2
Occupation: 1904 Contadina (farmer) 1
Residence: 1904 Marano Marchesato, Cosenza, Calabria, Italia 1

Father: Andrea Cosentino b: ABT 1844
Mother: Carmella Chiappetta

Marriage 1 Giuseppe Ruffolo b: ABT 1876 in Marano Marchesato, Cosenza, Calabria, Italia

Married: 30 APR 1904 in Marano Marchesato, Cosenza, Calabria, Italia 1


Sources:

Title: Ruffolo, Giuseppe and Cosentino, Rachela Marriage Record, Apr 30 1904
Publication: LDS Film 1642126 Marano Marchesato, Calabria, Italia Civil Records
Note: Atti #7, Pubblication #7, April 2 1904
Repository:
Media: Microfilm
Title: Ruffolo, Giuseppe and Cosentino, Rachela Marriage Record, Apr 30 1904
Publication: LDS Film 1642126 Marano Marchesato, Calabria, Italia Civil Records
Note: Atti #7, Pubblication #7, April 2 1904
Repository:
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Text: Age 23, born in Marano Marchesato

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 11, 2012 5:06 pm    Post subject: Re: Stelitano (Stillitano) / Ruffolo / Coseorelli (Casarelli) ? Reply with quote

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Sometimes we are lucky enough to find the truth, sometimes we're not.

Thanks for the kind post Nuccia! It still amazes me that you, Biff, and Cathy are willing to put so much effort in for a stranger! I am grateful!

nuccia wrote:
Another ship manifest page for Felicetta. www.gentedimareitalian...apetta.jpg

Nice find Nuccia!

nuccia wrote:
Name: Rachela Chiappetta 1
Sex: F
Birth: 15 JUN 1884 in Marano Marchesato, Cosenza, Calabria, Italia 1
Father: Ignazio Chiappetta b: ABT 1855
Mother: Carolina Bruni b: ABT 1857

I found that too Nuccia, and wondered about it. Doesn't help with the Carmela Caputo (unless she was her mother-in-law), but it felt instantly RIGHT to me because my father's birthday is also June 15!

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Name: Leonilda Chiappeta 1
Sex: F
Birth: ABT 1887 in Marano Marchesato, Cosenza, Calabria, Italia 2
Occupation: 1903 Contadina (farmer) 1
Residence: 1903 Marano Marchesato, Cosenza, Calabria, Italia 1
Father: Giovanni Chiappetta b: BET 1847 AND 1849
Mother: Caterina Ruffolo b: ABT 1858
Marriage 1 Pasquale Chiappetta b: 28 NOV 1884 in Marano Marchesato, Cosenza, Calabria, Italia
Married: 31 OCT 1903 in Marano Marchesato, Cosenza, Calabria, Italia 1

Hmmmm - that could work, too, and would explain the "Ruffolo" on her daughter's obituary (but still not the Carmela Caputo!). And why would her birth name be Leonilda, but she be called Rachaela? Although, perhaps, Leonilda could be her sister and Caterina and Giovanni could still be her parents... ?

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Rachela Cosentino b: ABT 1881 in Marano Marchesato, Cosenza, Calabria, Italia

Yes, I think that one is too old...
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 12, 2012 11:32 am    Post subject: Re: Stelitano (Stillitano) / Ruffolo / Coseorelli (Casarelli Reply with quote

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OK I found and read a birth act for Rachela Chiapetta born on 16 June 1884 to Ignazio, aged 29 a laborer and Carolina Bruno. This must be her. Ignazio married Carolina Bruno in 1880. That marriage would be quite helpful! The film is really dark and hard to read!

Oh my gosh Cathy! I missed your post the last time I read through this thread. I am so sorry! THANK YOU!

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 13, 2012 10:32 pm    Post subject: Re: Stelitano (Stillitano) / Ruffolo / Coseorelli (Casarelli Reply with quote

Does anyone have any ideas as to why "Mary" would be listed as FELICETTA CHIAPPETTA on the 1919 ship manifest, as "MARY COSEORELLI on the January 1920 census, and as MARY CHIAPPETTA on her February 1920 marriage certificate?

It's pretty clear from other information on each record that this is the same woman, but why oh why the variety of names?

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