Need help with letter please

Emmy · V.I.P. Joined: Jul 11, 2007 Posts: 1000 Location: Scotland

I know this is not in the correct order but I’m hoping someone will be able to help get across what I’m asking for.
(I’ll enclose an international reply coupon and a self addressed envelope)

Parrochio di Santa Maria Nuova
03049 Sant’Elia Fiumerapido
Prov. Frosinone
Italy

Reverendo Padre

Sono (my name), residente in Scozia, Regno Unito.
Con la presente le chiedo di poter ottenere la sola copia integrale dell'atto di (what I want to ask for is the record of their Church marriage in 1879) matrimonio dei miei nonni (I’ve copied the above from a previous letter I sent but it may not be appropriate for this request)

Giovan Battista Defilippis, figlio di Domenico e Maria Giuseppa Fionda fu battezzato nella Parrochio San Biagio al 1853 Giugno 10th a Sant'Elia Fiumerapido

Francesca Bastianello, figlia di Pasqua Bastianello nata il 17 Febbraio 1861 fu battezzato nella Parrochio San Biagio il 18 Febbraio 1861 a Sant'Elia Fiumerapido,

What I also need to say is :-

I believe that San Biagio was integrated with Santa Maria Nova in the late 1800’s and that the San Biagio records of marriages etc. may have been transferred to your church at that time.

Giovanni/Francesca’s Church ceremony of marriage was circa 1879 in Parrochio San Biagio.
Their civil marriage, which is recorded on their birth acts, was 5th May 1883

Se la ricerca dovesse dare esito negativo, le chiedo cortesemente di ricevere una risposta certificata.
Si rimane in attesa di cordiale riscontro e si porgono distinti saluti
La salute cordialmente

Grateful for any help
Emmy

liviomoreno · Posted: Tue Oct 02, 2007 1:21 am Post subject: Re: Need help with letter please

Reverendissimo Parroco
Chiesa di Santa Maria La Nova
03049 Sant’Elia Fiumerapido (FR)
Italy

Reverendo Padre

Sono (my name), residente in Scozia, Regno Unito.

Con la presente le chiedo di rilasciarmi copia integrale dell'atto di matrimonio dei miei nonni Giovan Battista Defilippis e Francesca Bastianello, celebrato nel 1879 nella Parrocchia di San Biagio.

Credo di aver capito che i registri della Chiesa di san Biagio siano stati trasferiti nella Chiesa Santa Maria La Nova alla fine del 1800.

Giovan Battista Defilippis, figlio di Domenico e Maria Giuseppa Fionda fu battezzato nella Parrocchia San Biagio il 10 giugno 1853.

Francesca Bastianello, figlia di Pasquale Bastianello nata il 17 Febbraio 1861 fu battezzata nella Parrocchia San Biagio il 18 Febbraio 1861.

Se la ricerca dovesse dare esito negativo, le chiedo cortesemente di mandarmi una risposta certificata.

Nel ringraziarLa anticipatamente, resto in attesa di un Suo riscontro e La saluto cordialmente

Emmy

Emmy · V.I.P. Joined: Jul 11, 2007 Posts: 1000 Location: Scotland

Many Many Thanks for translatng that for me Livio
I'll let you know if I get a reply I'll post the letter today.
Emmy Very Happy

Emmy · V.I.P. Joined: Jul 11, 2007 Posts: 1000 Location: Scotland

WELL ITS FINALLY HAPPENEDI receive a reply from the Church of SantaMaria La Nova wait for it

WITH A COPY OF INFORMATION ABOUT MY GRANDPARENTS MARRIAGE IN SAN BIAGIO
I just dont know HOW to say THANK YOU to all who have given me help an encouragement, and I dont want to list names in case I miss anyone out but Riccardo did give me lots of his time and help in many ways and for that I will be forever grateful.

The Priest/? even sent a typed copy of the relevant infomation for me. I still need to translate the actual document though ( Embarassed

I'll need help again with this sorry) but i'm going to post it separately just in case I lose this post - (its happened already- I lost the previous one I had written)

A very very very very happy

Emmy

Just thought I'd tell you something that did give me goosebumps!
It seems My fathers parents were married on 31st December 1876 in Italy

(the next 3 marriages were in Scotland)

My mother's parents were married on 31 December 1890
and my parents were married on 31 December 1915
and my brother was married on 31 December 1940
I knew about the last three marriages because if my mother's father had been alive when my brother was married it would have been a very special celebration - A golden wedding, a Silver Wedding and a Wedding!!
but to find out my DAD'ds parents were married on that date too Wow!

Emmy · V.I.P. Joined: Jul 11, 2007 Posts: 1000 Location: Scotland

This is the document that was posted
I noticed that it does say my grandfather's mother's name as Maria Josepha? Fionda but i'm sure on her birth act it has Maria Giuseppa Fionda Is this the same name?

Be grateful if someone woud translate it for me
Emmy

Carole · Posted: Mon Oct 15, 2007 6:40 am Post subject: Re: Need help with letter please

So...the "Gente" luck continues!!!

Way to go Emmy. Just post anything you want translated - we'll all fall over ourselves to do it!

Carole · Posted: Mon Oct 15, 2007 6:41 am Post subject: Re: Need help with letter please

Emmy wrote:

This is the document that was posted
I noticed that it does say my grandfather's mother's name as Maria Josepha? Fionda but i'm sure on her birth act it has Maria Giuseppa Fionda Is this the same name?

Be grateful if someone woud translate it for me
Emmy

You forgot the link......

OK, OK - I know - you're excited!

Emmy · V.I.P. Joined: Jul 11, 2007 Posts: 1000 Location: Scotland

Sorry about that the previous attachment didnt work
Emmy

Emmy · V.I.P. Joined: Jul 11, 2007 Posts: 1000 Location: Scotland

Forgot to ask
Was it the priest who answered my request The address on the back of the reply envelope asid M&H. Parroco
S.Maria La Nova
etc.

I would like to write a letter thanking this person

Embarassed

Dare I ask for more help with this Embarassed

Emmy

Emmy · V.I.P. Joined: Jul 11, 2007 Posts: 1000 Location: Scotland

Have just worked out my grandmother must have been only 15 when she was married, she was born in 1861- this MUST be in the genes Twisted Evil

I was engaged when I was 16 Wink

Emmy

Gina501 · Posted: Mon Oct 15, 2007 10:43 am Post subject: Re: Need help with letter please

Emmy, WOW! That is so fascinating!

Did your parents both realize that both their parents got married on New Year's Eve and that's why they did it? And did your brother realize and follow suit? Or is it one big huge coincidence? I'd be curious to know.

Either way, it's unblievable the way it all fell into place with the 50, 25 and your brother.

Poipu04 · Posted: Mon Oct 15, 2007 1:06 pm Post subject: Re: Need help with letter please

Congrats, Emmy! What wonderful news and an incredible coincidence...or fate...regarding the wedding dates!

liviomoreno · Posted: Mon Oct 15, 2007 1:26 pm Post subject: Re: Need help with letter please

Emmy wrote:

This is the document that was posted
I noticed that it does say my grandfather's mother's name as Maria Josepha? Fionda but i'm sure on her birth act it has Maria Giuseppa Fionda Is this the same name?

Be grateful if someone woud translate it for me
Emmy

Josepha is Latin and Giuseppa is the Italian translation.
Church registers usually had the names in Latin.

Emmy · V.I.P. Joined: Jul 11, 2007 Posts: 1000 Location: Scotland

I know for definate my dad didnt know his parents were married on the 31st December because the only information I ever had was on a birth certificate for one of my father's brothers and on it said my grandparents were married in Sant'Elia July 1978 which was wrong.
I do know that when my mum and dad got married it was a double celebration because I have a copy of what was written about it for the newspaper and a description of the clothes they were wearing I've also got one of the invitation cards. Whether it was planned I dont know but if my mum and dad were planning to marry about that time then I think if I had been them I would have chosen that date too.
Why my brother chose that date I dont know because that was during World War2
But to discover that my Italian grandparents were married on the 31st December too just left me speechless!
Emmy

Emmy · V.I.P. Joined: Jul 11, 2007 Posts: 1000 Location: Scotland

Thank you Livio
Is it all in latin? is this part of the banns for marriage? All I can understand is their names. At the top is it saying that this is a copy of the original? what does 'il panoco' mean, please (cant find the word in the dictionary)

Emmy