Translation Help

Luca · Posted: Sat Feb 02, 2008 5:21 am Post subject: Re: Translation Help

Per Laura

Direi di si. Anche perché mi sembra che i films dei mormoni non costano molto. Ho l'impressione però che per lei sarà un po' dura leggerli. Eventualmente cercherà un aiuto nel forum.
Ciao e grazie per la traduzioni. Very Happy

Luca

Laura · Posted: Sat Feb 02, 2008 5:32 am Post subject: Re: Translation Help

Rita:

Luca agrees with us... better search before in the FHC's Civil Records Microfilm about Belpasso..... Sure it will be less expensive than request the original acts!
And of course if you'll need help to translate the civil acts here we are!!!

Per Luca:
Grazie, e nessun disturbo per le traduzioni, mi serve per cercare di migliorare l'inglese... Wink

Laura

Tiger965 · Posted: Sat Feb 02, 2008 9:10 am Post subject: Re: Translation Help

Thank you so much for all your help. kiss

Hopefully I can find the baptismals as quickly as I did them on the Church Records.
kiss

Laura · Posted: Sat Feb 02, 2008 10:51 am Post subject: Re: Translation Help

From FHC site we know that the Belpasso's Registri dello stato civile, 1820-1929 are in Italian, so it will be easier (I hope Wink

) for us to translate.....
Laura Smile

Tiger965 · Posted: Sat Feb 02, 2008 5:48 pm Post subject: Re: Translation Help

It does not look like it is all on one film. Sad

BillieDeKid · V.I.P. Joined: Oct 26, 2007 Posts: 1221 Location: Illinois

Hi all,

Rita had asked me which civil films to order. Here is the listing from LDS

Title Registri dello stato civile, 1820-1929
Authors Belpasso (Catania). Ufficio dello stato civile (Main Author)

Nati 1820 VAULT INTL Film 1466375 Item 18
Nati 1820 (cont.)-1833 FHL INTL Film 1466403
Nati 1834-1847 FHL INTL Film 1466404
Nati 1848-1859 FHL INTL Film 1466405
Nati 1860-1865, Nati (proietti) 1836-1865 -- Matrimoni 1820-1833 FHL INTL Film 1466539
Matrimoni 1834-1859 FHL INTL Film 1466540
Matrimoni 1860-1865 -- Morti 1820-1846 FHL INTL Film 1466541
Morti 1847-1865 -- Atti diversi 1821-1865 FHL INTL Film 1339582 Items 1 - 13
Processetti 1841 VAULT INTL Film 1603755 Item 4
Processetti 1842-1849 VAULT INTL Film 1603756
Processetti 1850-1856 FHL INTL Film 1603810
Processetti 1856 (cont.)-1862 FHL INTL Film 1603811
Processetti 1863-1865 FHL INTL Film 1603848 Item 1
Pubblicazioni 1841-1844 FHL INTL Film 1693048 Item 5
Pubblicazioni 1845-1865 FHL INTL Film 1693049 Item 1
Nati 1866-1886 FHL INTL Film 1798345 Items 4-6
Nati 1887-1893 -- Pubblicazioni 1866-1893 -- Matrimoni 1866-1885 FHL INTL Film 1798346
Matrimoni 1886-1893 -- Morti 1866-1893 -- Cittadinanze 1866-1893 -- Allegati di nati 1866-1893 -- Allegati di pubblicazioni 1866-1893 -- Processetti 1866 FHL INTL Film 1798415
Processetti 1866-1874 VAULT INTL Film 1798416
Processetti 1875-1883 VAULT INTL Film 1798596
Processetti 1883 (cont.)-1890 VAULT INTL Film 1798597
Processetti 1891-1893 -- Allegati di morti 1866-1893 -- Cittadinanze 1880-1888 FHL INTL Film 1798598 Items 1 - 3
Nati 1894-1897 FHL INTL Film 1804388 Item 5
Nati 1898-1910 -- Pubblicazioni 1894-1910 -- Matrimoni 1894-1902 FHL INTL Film 1804389
Matrimoni 1903-1910 -- Cittadinanze 1894-1910 FHL INTL Film
1804407 Items 1 - 2
Morti 1894-1910 FHL INTL Film
1804455 Items 3-4
Annotazioni di morti, matrimoni e cittadinanze 1860-1910 FHL INTL Film
1962225 Item 3
Annotazioni di morte e matrimonio su atti di nascita 1853-1877 FHL INTL Film 1804230 Item 4
Annotazioni di morte e matrimonio su atti di nascita 1877 (cont.)-1895 FHL INTL Film 1804286 Item 1
Nati 1911-1913 FHL INTL Film 2250817 Item 5
Nati 1913 (cont.)-1929 -- Pubblicazioni di matrimoni 1911-1919 FHL INTL Film 2250818
Pubblicazioni di matrimoni 1920-1929 -- Matrimoni 1911-1929 -- Morti 1911-1913 FHL INTL Film 2250819
Morti 1914-1929 -- Cittadinanze 1911-1928 FHL INTL Film 2250893 Items 1 - 3
Allegati vari 1911-1927 FHL INTL Film 2279685 Item 15
Allegati di morti 1909-1910 FHL INTL Film 2279959 Item 8

In red are the films I think she should order to cover the years of the 12 children we know about. There is actually suppose to be 17 kids. I don't know the full range of years.

Some of these films years overlap or seem to be the same, I'm not sure what the difference is or what the difference would be. So Livio, Luca, Laura what do you think for films? What would your choices be?

Thanks for everyone's help. kiss

Tiger965 · Posted: Sun Feb 03, 2008 12:44 am Post subject: Re: Translation Help

Just to let you know I had ordered this film and it needed to go back because I could not read the rest of the marriage documents on it. Shocked

Hopefully the film they send back to me will be clearer to read. Isn't there a film that will have the rest of the children that are earlier, on it? Sad

"Nati 1887-1893 -- Pubblicazioni 1866-1893 -- Matrimoni 1866-1885 FHL INTL Film 1798346 [/color]" Thank you for your help. ~ Rita kiss

BillieDeKid · V.I.P. Joined: Oct 26, 2007 Posts: 1221 Location: Illinois

Tiger965 wrote:

"Nati 1887-1893 -- Pubblicazioni 1866-1893 -- Matrimoni 1866-1885 FHL INTL Film 1798346 [/color]" Thank you for your help. ~ Rita kiss

Hi Rita

This film only covered 1887-1893 for civil birth acts. I believe some of the children would have been born in the early 1870's..........so this film would not have those births on it.

I posted all the films (as you can see) so Livio, Luca and Laura can give an opinion as to which one or ones to order so you get the maximum information.

Do you have any idea as to the ages of the other 5 children not listed? Would they be older then Vito and Domenica (born in early 1870's). Or maybe born in the USA (younger than Anna). Try to let everyone here know so when they look they can give you an idea of which film(s) will be needed.

Luca · Posted: Sun Feb 03, 2008 8:12 am Post subject: Re: Translation Help

BillieDeKid wrote:

Hi all,

Rita had asked me which civil films to order. Here is the listing from LDS

Nati 1860-1865, Nati (proietti) 1836-1865 -- Matrimoni 1820-1833 FHL
Nati 1866-1886 FHL INTL Film 1798345 Items 4-6
Nati 1887-1893 -- Pubblicazioni 1866-1893 -- Matrimoni 1866-1885 FHL INTL Film 1798346
Matrimoni 1886-1893 -- Morti 1866-1893 -- Cittadinanze 1866-1893 -- Allegati di nati 1866-1893 -- Allegati di pubblicazioni 1866-1893 --

Nati 1894-1897 FHL INTL Film 1804388 Item 5
Nati 1898-1910 -- Pubblicazioni 1894-1910 -- Matrimoni 1894-1902 FHL INTL Film 1804389

In red the most important, in black to enlarge the research.
Ciao Luca

Tiger965 · Posted: Sun Feb 03, 2008 10:21 am Post subject: Re: Translation Help

Domenica was estimated to be born in 1875 from the ship manifest Sept 29,1904, (age 29)traveling with her husband Salvatore Motta,& daughter Anna,lines 22,23,24.
Vito was estimated to be born in 1880 from the ship manifest March 17,1910 (age 30) Also US Census of 1930 April 4th Vito age 50 ,Rosaria 44, Joseph 12,and Sebastian(Ben) age 9. (Angela Delucca~is Rosaria's mother died before the 1930's census. Angelo was found Posted: Sat Oct 20, 2007 4:08 am sapienza VITO, wife ROSARIA DURSO, sons GIUSEPPE and SEBASTIANO 1929 arrival leaving in Italy his brother ANGELO in Belpasso (now we know the name of another Sapienza Brother!!) and returning to their house in New York, 34 Thompson Place - Brooklyn:

???DOES THIS MEAN THAT ANGELO IS ONE OF THE OLDER BROTHERS?

[img=http://img85.imageshack.us/img85/4476/sapienzavitoandwife1929pu1.th.jpg]

page 2:

[img=http://img518.imageshack.us/img518/1789/sapienzavito1929arrivalov9.th.jpg]

List of detained Aliens for Alfio Sapienza in March 1907 arrival (going to Brother in Law Salv. Motta in Cherry Street NY):

[img=http://img518.imageshack.us/img518/1789/sapienzavito1929arrivalov9.th.jpg]
I don't know the ages of the rest of the children Sad

I do believe Anna was the last child and none were born in America.
So far I know I have Agata and Salvatore's Civil Registration Does the Civil Registration say where he was married to Agata(Augostina) Deluca?
I've noticed something I'd like to bring to your attention. When Lucia Proietto was married to Giuseppe she was younger than him on the marriage document. How come some documents say she is older? Shocked

Do I see this right? Thank you. ~ Rita

liviomoreno · Posted: Sun Feb 03, 2008 12:19 pm Post subject: Re: Translation Help

Rita, the above links are broken and someway incorrect. I was able to identify the page 1 of the manifest for the arrival of Sapienza VITO, wife ROSARIA D'URSO, sons GIUSEPPE and SEBASTIANO 1929
http://img85.imageshack.us/img85/4476/sapienzavitoandwife1929pu1.jpg

and the list of detained Aliens for Alfio Sapienza in March 1907 arrival

http://img518.imageshack.us/img518/1789/sapienzavito1929arrivalov9.th.jpg

Tiger965 · Posted: Mon Feb 04, 2008 12:31 am Post subject: Re: Translation Help

BillieDeKid wrote:

Hi all,

Rita had asked me which civil films to order. Here is the listing from LDS

Title Registri dello stato civile, 1820-1929
Authors Belpasso (Catania). Ufficio dello stato civile (Main Author)

Nati 1820 VAULT INTL Film 1466375 Item 18
Nati 1820 (cont.)-1833 FHL INTL Film 1466403
Nati 1834-1847 FHL INTL Film 1466404
Nati 1848-1859 FHL INTL Film 1466405
Nati 1860-1865, Nati (proietti) 1836-1865 -- Matrimoni 1820-1833 FHL INTL Film 1466539
Matrimoni 1834-1859 FHL INTL Film 1466540
Matrimoni 1860-1865 -- Morti 1820-1846 FHL INTL Film 1466541
Morti 1847-1865 -- Atti diversi 1821-1865 FHL INTL Film 1339582 Items 1 - 13
Processetti 1841 VAULT INTL Film 1603755 Item 4
Processetti 1842-1849 VAULT INTL Film 1603756
Processetti 1850-1856 FHL INTL Film 1603810
Processetti 1856 (cont.)-1862 FHL INTL Film 1603811
Processetti 1863-1865 FHL INTL Film 1603848 Item 1
Pubblicazioni 1841-1844 FHL INTL Film 1693048 Item 5
Pubblicazioni 1845-1865 FHL INTL Film 1693049 Item 1
Nati 1866-1886 FHL INTL Film 1798345 Items 4-6
Nati 1887-1893 -- Pubblicazioni 1866-1893 -- Matrimoni 1866-1885 FHL INTL Film 1798346
Matrimoni 1886-1893 -- Morti 1866-1893 -- Cittadinanze 1866-1893 -- Allegati di nati 1866-1893 -- Allegati di pubblicazioni 1866-1893 -- Processetti 1866 FHL INTL Film 1798415
Processetti 1866-1874 VAULT INTL Film 1798416
Processetti 1875-1883 VAULT INTL Film 1798596
Processetti 1883 (cont.)-1890 VAULT INTL Film 1798597
Processetti 1891-1893 -- Allegati di morti 1866-1893 -- Cittadinanze 1880-1888 FHL INTL Film 1798598 Items 1 - 3
Nati 1894-1897 FHL INTL Film 1804388 Item 5
Nati 1898-1910 -- Pubblicazioni 1894-1910 -- Matrimoni 1894-1902 FHL INTL Film 1804389
Matrimoni 1903-1910 -- Cittadinanze 1894-1910 FHL INTL Film
1804407 Items 1 - 2
Morti 1894-1910 FHL INTL Film
1804455 Items 3-4
Annotazioni di morti, matrimoni e cittadinanze 1860-1910 FHL INTL Film
1962225 Item 3
Annotazioni di morte e matrimonio su atti di nascita 1853-1877 FHL INTL Film 1804230 Item 4
Annotazioni di morte e matrimonio su atti di nascita 1877 (cont.)-1895 FHL INTL Film 1804286 Item 1
Nati 1911-1913 FHL INTL Film 2250817 Item 5
Nati 1913 (cont.)-1929 -- Pubblicazioni di matrimoni 1911-1919 FHL INTL Film 2250818
Pubblicazioni di matrimoni 1920-1929 -- Matrimoni 1911-1929 -- Morti 1911-1913 FHL INTL Film 2250819
Morti 1914-1929 -- Cittadinanze 1911-1928 FHL INTL Film 2250893 Items 1 - 3
Allegati vari 1911-1927 FHL INTL Film 2279685 Item 15
Allegati di morti 1909-1910 FHL INTL Film 2279959 Item 8

In red are the films I think she should order to cover the years of the 12 children we know about. There is actually suppose to be 17 kids. I don't know the full range of years.

Some of these films years overlap or seem to be the same, I'm not sure what the difference is or what the difference would be. So Livio, Luca, Laura what do you think for films? What would your choices be?

Thanks for everyone's help. kiss

Tiger965 · Posted: Thu Feb 07, 2008 7:41 pm Post subject: Re: Translation Help

These are the pictures that I've found and would like some help in translating them. Thank you so very much. ~ Rita
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img520.imageshack.us/i...141pt2.jpg
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img135.imageshack.us/i...282ad7.jpg
img146.imageshack.us/i...290kz1.jpg
img135.imageshack.us/i...unoxj8.jpg
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BillieDeKid · V.I.P. Joined: Oct 26, 2007 Posts: 1221 Location: Illinois

Rita!!! You did it. You posted your links Very Happy

Great job!

party

liviomoreno · Posted: Fri Feb 08, 2008 3:39 am Post subject: Re: Translation Help

Rita, which are the names you're interested?