Tiger965 wrote:

Sure sorry I posted the wrong one. www.calabriangenealogy...pienza.JPG

Luca........Alfio

Rita,

to determine the exact birth year it's necessary see the whole page....
The one you send me in PDF format is perfect.... do you have a copy of that to post here?

Per Luca,
se mi vuoi dare il tuo indirizzo e-mail ti mando l'allegato PDF che Rita mi ha spedito, comunque io ho desunto l'anno dall'atto precedente a quello di Alfio che riportava questo anno:
millesimo octingentesimo octingesimo quarto
Ma sarei felice se tu o Livio controllaste...

Laura

Laura,
I sent you a PM with my email.

Complete document...........Alfio

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Laura please translate.
A questo punto l'unica spiegazione sta nell'atto di battesimo di Agostino Sapienza (che forse Sapienza non è): essendo poco definito e di pessima qualità, quello che sembrerebbe il cognome oggetto della ricerca potrebbe essere, in realtà una cosa diversa (ad es. Rapisarda) e la madre pur chiamandosi Lucia probabilmente non è Distefano.
Se si riuscisse ad avere un'immagine migliore potremmo essere più sicuri, ma comunque la discendenza di Giuseppe dovrebbe essere la seguente (sarebbe interessante avere anche la foto di Eugenio):

1875 Domenica
18?? Vito
1880 December 25 Natalia (Mother Lucia ?)
1882 September 29 Giovanni (Mother Lucia Distefano ) then:
1884 May 10 Alfio (Mother Lucia Distefano )
1885 September 22 Maria (Mother Lucia Distefano )
1887 April 16 Rosa (Mother Lucia Distefano )
1890 April 22 Agata (Mother Lucia Distefano )
1891 December 24 Salvatore (Mother Lucia Distefano )
1893 April 19 Francesco (Mother Lucia Proietto)
1896 Eugenio
1899 July 23 Anna (Mother Lucia ?)

Ciao
Luca

Luca

Agostino......meglio?

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Livio or Laura

Can you please tell Luca I do not have a birth act or baptism for Euginio. I looked on the IG forum and no image posted there.

I think Rita is getting the birth year from the ship's manifest.....Ellis Island.

Also, tried to clean the image of Agostino.

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Agostino......meglio?

Not too much! The problem is the low definition (I hope it's the exact term) and not the clarity. Thank you alike.
Ciao
Luca

BillieDeKid wrote:

Luca Agostino......meglio? img143.imageshack.us/i...inoos0.jpg

As Luca was mentioning, this Agostino does not seem to be a Sapienza, the surname is something like Rapisarda...

BillieDeKid wrote:

Livio or Laura Can you please tell Luca .....

I'm not so good at write in English, but I can understand what you write (I hope...)
Bye

Thank you Livio. And Luca, your english is better than my italian

I found Eugenio's Registration Card which has his date of Birth and where he lived in Brooklyn, Kings,New York. I still have to find his Birth Document on the film.

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Luca
Quote "Agostino......meglio?

img143.imageshack.us/i...inoos0.jpg" When I was looking at this document I thought the Maria was a Sapienza from my family but this does not pertain to my family that I know of. .

Tiger965 wrote:

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Luca Quote "Agostino......meglio? img143.imageshack.us/i...inoos0.jpg" When I was looking at this document I thought the Maria was a Sapienza from my family but this does not pertain to my family that I know of. .

I think that I was the originator of this confusion
Agostino is NOT a Sapienza.

Don't beat yourself up over this Livio - we've all been there and done that at some time...

All we can do is pray that when we do cause confusion it doesn't start a war!!!